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Title: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: SGOS on September 02, 2016, 12:04:11 PM
http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1551789/

Here it is a scientific study on using glasses to hide your identity.  Actually, the science is not bad, but the journalism reporting the study is positively horrible.  Well, not to be too hard on the writer, I'll allow he might have been writing with tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 02, 2016, 01:51:51 PM
404: scientific study not found.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Baruch on September 02, 2016, 06:46:21 PM
Sufficiently distorting bottle glasses would throw of face Id software, which checks the distance between your eyes vs other measurements.  So it would probably throw off human identification too.  But then Clark Kent would look like a bigger dork than he already does ;-)
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 03, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
"I've seen you naked! You think I wouldn't recognize you because I can't see your cheek bones?" Carol Ferris to Hal Jordan, "Green Lantern".
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Hydra009 on September 03, 2016, 12:00:34 PM
> thread analysis........done
> 404 detected
> computing best guess alternative link (http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1551789/science-explains-why-supermans-glasses-actually-work-as-a-disguise)....done
> acceptable match Y/N?
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: SGOS on September 03, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on September 02, 2016, 01:51:51 PM
404: scientific study not found.

I never responded to this because I thought it was a joke, but then Hydra mentioned it, and I'm pretty sure that was partly a joke, but I didn't understand it.  Anyway, you're right; Error 404.  I see they are now putting adds on error notices.  Yee Gods!  The internet is getting worse that TV, and I got rid of my TV. 

But FWIW, I didn't make this thread up, a study was actually done on the effectiveness of eye classes as a disguise.  It was to shed more light on problems faced by homeland security, airport security, etc.  It was done for the FBI, I think.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Hydra009 on September 03, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: SGOS on September 03, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
I never responded to this because I thought it was a joke, but then Hydra mentioned it, and I'm pretty sure that was partly a joke, but I didn't understand it.  Anyway, you're right; Error 404.  I see they are now putting adds on error notices.  Yee Gods!  The internet is getting worse that TV, and I got rid of my TV.
It's link rot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_rot), the bane of the internet.  Imagine having a collection of photos by which you know the world, each one unique and irreplaceable.  Now imagine them winking out of existence, one by one.  Or more precisely, about 3-5% per year.  You can replace them with new pictures, of course.  Snap away to your heart's content.  But everything fades.  Everything.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: SGOS on September 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Computers crash.  Links rot.  This is not good.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 03, 2016, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: SGOS on September 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Computers crash.  Links rot.  This is not good.

  William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
       THE SECOND COMING

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

    The darkness drops again but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: SGOS on September 03, 2016, 06:26:00 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 03, 2016, 06:10:55 PM
  William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
       THE SECOND COMING

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

    The darkness drops again but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

It's the rupture!
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 09:32:22 AM
Quote from: SGOS on September 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Computers crash.  Links rot.  This is not good.

Entropy is inescapable.  Stupidity means you never even try to escape.

DHS is vetting contracts for automated face recognition, so they can lay off airport baggage checkers.  AI will save The State.  And there are also RFPs for anti-automated face recognition (take that Putin) and anti-anti-face recognition ... and the arms race resumes.

The modern White House occasionally takes input from the public, via topical questionaires.  they had one earlier this year about the potential use of AI in the government.  It is the only government survey to the public, that I have ever responded to.  I was even respectful in my response.  I doubt anyone bothered to read let alone understand my thoughtful response.  You can't have AI where there is no I to begin with.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: SGOS on September 05, 2016, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 09:32:22 AM

The modern White House occasionally takes input from the public, via topical questionaires. 

No kidding?  I've never been asked what I thought by any White House or political party.  The only thing they ask me for is a contribution.  Well, one time I did get a survey from my US Senator, Conrad Burns, of Montana.  But it was the silliest survey ever, question after question took the format of "Do you prefer 'X' or would you rather see Montana's economy go bankrupt?"  and "Do you prefer 'X' or would you rather see Montana families be sent to interment camps?"  It was two pages of question begging with inquiries phrased in such a way that imbeciles could figure out the correct answers and pass.  I never saw such a nakedly disguised piece of propaganda.  He won the next election, and maybe the one after that, but finally he got caught up in some bribery scandal.  No one ever figured out if he had done anything illegal or not, but the scandal did him in.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 04:39:51 PM
This one I responded to, was open to the public, not just me ;-)  Also the general topic was given, but not question/answer format.  Your input could be free form text.  In that sense, it was far superior to the one you responded to.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Cavebear on October 29, 2016, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: SGOS on September 05, 2016, 10:48:49 AM
No kidding?  I've never been asked what I thought by any White House or political party.  The only thing they ask me for is a contribution.  Well, one time I did get a survey from my US Senator, Conrad Burns, of Montana.  But it was the silliest survey ever, question after question took the format of "Do you prefer 'X' or would you rather see Montana's economy go bankrupt?"  and "Do you prefer 'X' or would you rather see Montana families be sent to interment camps?"  It was two pages of question begging with inquiries phrased in such a way that imbeciles could figure out the correct answers and pass.  I never saw such a nakedly disguised piece of propaganda.  He won the next election, and maybe the one after that, but finally he got caught up in some bribery scandal.  No one ever figured out if he had done anything illegal or not, but the scandal did him in.

You never worked in Washington DC apparently. ;)
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: SGOS on October 29, 2016, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on October 29, 2016, 11:23:31 AM
You never worked in Washington DC apparently. ;)

Washington, DC is what Chicago aspired to be in the 1920s.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on October 29, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
Lois Lane was forever the jilted woman because unknown to the public Superman had no use for a penis, in essence he was Superken. So the public, forever fixated on sex overlooked the fact that his glasses hid nothing..
That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Cavebear on October 31, 2016, 04:26:39 AM
Quote from: SGOS on October 29, 2016, 12:06:01 PM
Washington, DC is what Chicago aspired to be in the 1920s.

All hail Daley!  Joke!
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Unbeliever on November 04, 2016, 07:10:05 PM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 29, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
Lois Lane was forever the jilted woman
He jilted her for Lana Lang?!


(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/1/17/Lana_Lang_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110911034706)
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Baruch on November 04, 2016, 08:19:58 PM
But I thought that Jimmy Olson was to Superman what Robin was to Batman ;-)
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Unbeliever on November 04, 2016, 08:31:05 PM
Yeah, Jimmy couldn't rely on his whistling ability, so SM made him a special watch.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Baruch on November 04, 2016, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 04, 2016, 08:31:05 PM
Yeah, Jimmy couldn't rely on his whistling ability, so SM made him a special watch.

Jimmy also sometimes dressed in drag, to get a scoop ;-))

https://envisioningtheamericandream.com/2014/10/16/miss-jimmy-olsen-comic-cross-dresser/

Clark Kent's glasses might not mask his identity, but the feminine side of Jimmy Olson gets dates.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Munch on November 14, 2016, 06:06:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzqtfpQT37w
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Cavebear on November 17, 2016, 05:11:20 AM
Quote from: Munch on November 14, 2016, 06:06:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzqtfpQT37w

The essential problem DC had with Superman was that Superman was really bulked and Clark Kent wasn't...  Other characters were the same in reality and alter Egos, or changed with some SHAZAM phrase.  Or unexplained like the Hulk/Banner.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Ro3bert on February 20, 2017, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 29, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
Lois Lane was forever the jilted woman because unknown to the public Superman had no use for a penis, in essence he was Superken. So the public, forever fixated on sex overlooked the fact that his glasses hid nothing..
That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

From what I read/saw Superman's ejaculate would go right through some poor earth female like she was impaled. Not too sure that would be a pleasant way to die.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Hydra009 on February 20, 2017, 08:15:09 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 17, 2016, 05:11:20 AMThe essential problem DC had with Superman was that Superman was really bulked and Clark Kent wasn't
Spider-man/Peter Parker has the same problem.

(https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto,w_710/oxmejqeh6pmusunz468b/guess-which-star-thinks-spider-man-3-was-actually-pretty-good.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKXZAwEUAAEDs36.jpg)

He must do an amazing job at covering up those rippling muscles.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: SGOS on February 21, 2017, 04:21:21 AM
Unrelated but..., Child star Tobey Mcguire just fell off the map, while his annoying loser nemesis costar, James Franko, is now making all the movies.  Several years ago, I was cruising the net when I was lured by one of those "Ten most and least personable stars in Hollywood" click bait advertising gimmicks.  I used to fall for that shit all the time, and still do once in a while.

Tobey was at the bottom of the list, rude, arrogant, and downright unlikeable in real life.  For what it's worth, Johnny Depp was at the very top, personable, chatty and sociable with fans.  I don't know if this has anything to do with longevity of acting careers or not, but that's my report.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 01:25:41 PM
Yeah.  In the original comics Peter Parker was a wimp.  He just had Spider-strength in his wimpy body.  He was the high school nerd.

That mattered.  Now he is just another musclebound pounder.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 01:25:41 PMYeah.  In the original comics Peter Parker was a wimp.  He just had Spider-strength in his wimpy body.  He was the high school nerd.

That mattered.  Now he is just another musclebound pounder.
Yeah, I think they made Spidey supermuscled in the movies as a visual cue to the audience (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/ViewersAreMorons) that he's very strong.  But the fact that he's strong, like most of his powerset, is supposed to be concealed - the villains (and the audience) know about it only after he does it.

Most villains wouldn't know what to make of Spidey in their first encounter.  Just some weirdo in red spandex.  Then he crawls up the wall.  You reach for your gun.  Bam, webbing to the face.  Where'd that come from?  You run to your car.  He lifts it off the ground.  Next thing you know, you're in the Brooklyn Detention Complex for a very, very long time.

(https://i.imgur.com/VopRO.jpg)

Plus, Spidey is one of the few waify-looking male superheroes.
Title: Re: Clark Kent's Glasses Really Do Mask His Identity... Kinda
Post by: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 01:47:26 PM
Yeah, I think they made Spidey supermuscled in the movies as a visual cue to the audience (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/ViewersAreMorons) that he's very strong.  But the fact that he's strong, like most of his powerset, is supposed to be concealed - the villains (and the audience) know about it only after he does it.

Most villains wouldn't know what to make of Spidey in their first encounter.  Just some weirdo in red spandex.  Then he crawls up the wall.  You reach for your gun.  Bam, webbing to the face.  Where'd that come from?  You run to your car.  He lifts it off the ground.  Next thing you know, you're in the Brooklyn Detention Complex for a very, very long time.Never challenge old age.  I knew Spiderman from the start.  Before he could climb walls or had webs.

I remember when he faced Flash in a boxing ring and had to figure out how to knock him out with actually killing him.  It was a gentle "tap".

I had the book where Uncle Ben was killed and Spidey was juts a wrestler...

(https://i.imgur.com/VopRO.jpg)

Plus, Spidey is one of the few waify-looking male superheroes.