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Title: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 03, 2013, 11:22:51 AM
Ok, restarting the G of T thread. To those of you who saw the last episode, SURPRISE! Since I've read the books I won't comment on what happened or whatever. But in a general sense, I will say that plot twists do not go the direction you expect them to.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 03, 2013, 08:16:32 PM
Oops, looks like we lost a few hours of posts!

I wanted to ask if we can make spoiler rules. I would like to propose that we only spoil book differences and future information, but allow discussion of everything aired in the TV show openly. Otherwise we would just have to spoil all our comments! Which is what happened in the old thread.

P.s. The actress who plays Catelyn deserves an Emmy for last nights performance, I think. Chilling performance. Wow!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2013, 10:59:41 PM
No lie, I nearly quit watching GoT after last episode. I will go ahead and spoil it just incase we decide that's the route we go...

[spoil:1k6lvyu1]-Robb Stark was one of the two remaining characters I want to see win the throne. Stannis is cool, but I just don't think he is fit to lead. All that is left now is Danny. I still care about Arya's story arc and to an extent Jon Snow, and of course the Imp and Jamie...But that leads to the problem in my next point...

-This just shows that, even if you are one of the best characters in the show, you can die. Because of this... I feel like just removing all attachment to the characters because there doesn't seem to be any point in it. How do I know Danny doesn't die next episode? And when she dies, I really couldn't give a shit what happens anymore... the Lannisters would have won. I guess the family Jeofry is marrying still interests me and has a chance...but meh.

-On the two bright sides...

1. I have the feeling Jeofry and that Greyjoy guy (the dad) should die soon, since the priestess said their names as well. But at this point, I don't even give a fuck if Jeofry dies... I have had so much rage bottled at the little bitch and have wanted to see him suffer a terrible death, but now that rage is completely dwarfed by my hatred of the Freys.

2. I do have ONE more reason to watch it... I want to see Frey suffer. I don't mean die humiliating like Robb. I don't mean being betrayed and beheaded like Ned. I don't even mean torture like Theron has to endure.

I want to see an entire season dedicated to this man being slowly tortured and broken. Everything that has happened to Theron, I want to be multiplied by 10. I want to see his entire fucking families' heads on pikes, his castle burned and his torture to be a public spectacle. And bloody fuck I want to see Lord Bolton flayed and choked with his own entrails.

You might not have guessed it... but this scene made me extremely mad :|.[/spoil:1k6lvyu1]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 03, 2013, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: "Shiranu"
No lie, I nearly quit watching GoT after last episode. I will go ahead and spoil it just incase we decide that's the route we go...

[spoil:zowygdwm]-Robb Stark was one of the two remaining characters I want to see win the throne. Stannis is cool, but I just don't think he is fit to lead. All that is left now is Danny. I still care about Arya's story arc and to an extent Jon Snow, and of course the Imp and Jamie...But that leads to the problem in my next point...

-This just shows that, even if you are one of the best characters in the show, you can die. Because of this... I feel like just removing all attachment to the characters because there doesn't seem to be any point in it. How do I know Danny doesn't die next episode? And when she dies, I really couldn't give a shit what happens anymore... the Lannisters would have won. I guess the family Jeofry is marrying still interests me and has a chance...but meh.

-On the two bright sides...

1. I have the feeling Jeofry and that Greyjoy guy (the dad) should die soon, since the priestess said their names as well. But at this point, I don't even give a fuck if Jeofry dies... I have had so much rage bottled at the little bitch and have wanted to see him suffer a terrible death, but now that rage is completely dwarfed by my hatred of the Freys.

2. I do have ONE more reason to watch it... I want to see Frey suffer. I don't mean die humiliating like Robb. I don't mean being betrayed and beheaded like Ned. I don't even mean torture like Theron has to endure.

I want to see an entire season dedicated to this man being slowly tortured and broken. Everything that has happened to Theron, I want to be multiplied by 10. I want to see his entire fucking families' heads on pikes, his castle burned and his torture to be a public spectacle. And bloody fuck I want to see Lord Bolton flayed and choked with his own entrails.

You might not have guessed it... but this scene made me extremely mad :|.[/spoil:zowygdwm]
My my, you certainly are invested in the characters!!  But that's good, honest.  Also find it odd, you are not the first person I  have heard express the desire to quit watching.  When this "episode" happened in the book, I didn't feel that way.  Maybe it was really more powerful on TV.

I know it hurts when Martin kills off characters, but I'm sure by now you have realized he does this more often than other writers.  It is terribly painful, I have been left in tears on numerous occasions, but at the same time, that is what makes this whole story SO BLOODY BRILLIANT.  It's real.  In most stories, you know the "good" guy isn't going to die, so even if there is a massive threat/war/battle, even if he gets badly injured, you know he'll pull through.  It makes traditional "heroic" style story telling a little bland and predictable.  Real life is not like that, in real life people we like die, sometimes suddenly and without warning, unfairly and ignominiously, and bad, stupid asshat people sometimes come out on top.

Ok, hope none of that is spoilers because I didn't name one name.  Just general story principal which even only season one watchers should understand.

But now, onto stuff that may spoil for people not up to season 3, episode 9, also very slight spoiler for the future, just to calm some people down, not major, no names named or anything, I promise!

[spoil:zowygdwm]They aren't going to kill of every likable character, or no one would watch or read the story.  Some live, some die, but I guarantee you that at least one (probably more) of your favorite characters is going to be alive and doing interesting things 2 seasons from now.  Neither Martin nor the TV writers would stab themselves in the foot by destroying all the interesting characters and leaving us with a cast of unlikable douchbags.[/spoil:zowygdwm]

About this episode specifically:

[spoil:zowygdwm]If I remember correctly Shiranu, you don't like Arya right?  That's too bad.  I found her story the most compelling tonight.  The lucky/unlucky child who survives the slow destruction of her family, but is forever altered by repeatedly witnessing it.  At least she didn't see them die this time.

And Dany IS on fire isn't she.  Capturing a city without hardly even having to fight for it.  She's hard and soft in all the right places (physically and psychologically, hehe.)

I thought Jon's story got a lot better tonight as well, as did Bran's. Arya and Jon both defending old men...Arya successfully, Jon not so much, but they are still alike in many ways.  And Jon missing Bran and Rickon by yards!

I really hope the finale (episode 10) is what I hope it is.  I really....really...need it, too. Catharsis.[/spoil:zowygdwm]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 04, 2013, 12:22:23 AM
Oh no, I do like Arya.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 04, 2013, 12:32:15 AM
Quote from: "Shiranu"
Oh no, I do like Arya.
Oh, that's good then.   :-D
[spoil:1ny3zslw]You should enjoy season 4 then.  She has a GREAT story arc coming.[/spoil:1ny3zslw]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2013, 12:50:41 AM
To recap my previous reviews of the show:

[spoil:2fvekjuo]Stannis is my king.
Varys is my BFF.
Tyrion is kind of a nice guy, but his spendthrift ways are annoying.
I liked Dany before she went Danybraham Lincoln.
The Lannisters and the Starks are terrible and I hope they both lose the war.
Poor Theon   :(
Littlefinger scares me.
I hope Sam (aka sack of crap) dies.
I hope Jaimie dies.
I hope Cersei dies.
I hope Joffrey dies.
Tywinn is pretty cool, so he lives.

I'm contemplating a fanfic where Stannis takes King's Landing before Tywinn's forces get there.  Joffrey and Cersei die.  Cersei by poison, Joffrey runs and is hunted down through the castle and almost makes it out a window before he's plugged by a crossbow bolt and falls to his death.  Tywinn's forces are intercepted and Tywinn ultimately surrenders.  Tyrion is wounded in battle but survives and is briefly imprisoned before being pardoned to live the rest of his life at Casterly Rock with his "funny whore".  Jaimie tries to escape from Brienne and gets himself killed by locals after he overplays his [s:2fvekjuo]hand[/s:2fvekjuo] position.  Stannis frees Sansa and the Starks conclude their war and march back North.  Arya makes it back to Winterfell on her own a few months later (a few years later, she leaves again to Braavos for "dancing lessons").  Sensing the changing political conditions, the Greyjoys postpone their rebellion indefinitely.   Stannis becomes King.  Davos Seaworth becomes Hand of the King.  Melissandra, Varys, and Littlefinger also advice the King, with obvious bad blood between everyone, Davos and Melissandra have great influence, Varys a moderate amount (or so he'd lead you to believe) and Littlefinger has almost no influence and grows increasingly frustrated.  Stannis restaffs the wall and pushes back the whitewalkers (with copious amounts of fire).  When Dany invades, she pushes hard, and it's a pretty close fight, but Stannis ultimately prevails.  Everyone is happy except the people who are dead.  The End.[/spoil:2fvekjuo]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2013, 01:41:29 AM
Season 3, Episode 9 review:

[spoil:17axai1t]Robb and his mum have both been taking crazy pills this episode.  Robb:  "If we take Tywinn's castle from him, his people will realize he's not invincible and take his power."  Oh really? That's exactly what happened to you, and you're still kicking.   :-k  And Lady Stark (who feels really bad about wanting a kid to die once and even is tenderhearted enough to spring Jaimie to end hostilities) says, and I quote: "Show them [the Lannisters] how it feels to lose what they love."  *jawdrops*

Lord Frey is great.  Such a character.  LOL.

Daario is SooOO Jaqen.  He even does the "A man" thing.  And Ser Friendzone is slightly jealous though understandably suspicious.

Crap Sack's girlfriend is even more of an idiot than he is.  Yes, you can know things by reading about them.  But Crap Sack should bear in mind that old books recount old conditions that may have changed in the interim.  Idiot.

Arya is definitely going to make some heads roll when she gets older.

Right as the Wildling army rushes up to that poor old man's house, my roomie said "What's in your wallet (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drqO8aySdFg)?"   :rollin:

Hodor.  HODOR.  HODOR!  Assuming direct control.  HOD-- ZzzZzzz

Meanwhile, the other Warg screws over Jon by presenting him with a Kill this kitten (http://http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten) dilemma.  Jon wins, but Warg attacks him as an eagle.  Since he's dead, is he trapped as an eagle now?  Or does he lose control when he dies?

Grey Worm is badass in battle.  He's freakin' boss with that spear.  Then they're surrounded by practically all of Yunkai's guards.  And cut.  And suddenly, they all survived and the city is theirs.   :-s   Go Dany.  (he said with sarcastic enthusiasm)  She's 2/2 on victories against Yunkai despite not doing a damn thing herself.

And the other shoe drops.  Lord Frey kills everybody.  Right out of the blue.  Lord Bolton is even in on it.  Good for the guard for not letting the Hound in.  Probably trying to spare the Hound, but the Hound's too much of an idiot to realize it.  All that bloodshed is a bit much for reneging on a wedding plan, don'tcha think?

Poor Arya.  So close...[/spoil:17axai1t]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 04, 2013, 02:10:04 AM
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Daario is SooOO Jaqen. He even does the "A man" thing. And Ser Friendzone is slightly jealous though understandably suspicious.
You do realize that people from the same country often have similar speech patterns and stuff?  I mean, Mellisandre and even the SLAVE Dany rescued also said "Valar Morgulis".  I mean, it could be him, but he's from the same part of the world, so also maybe not.

Also, although they are half brothers and look kind of the same, that's Jon north of the wall, not Robb...lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2013, 02:25:53 AM
Quote from: "Aroura33"
Also, although they are half brothers and look kind of the same, that's Jon north of the wall, not Robb...lol
Fixed.

[spoil:1urwnsgm]
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You do realize that people from the same country often have similar speech patterns and stuff?
There's so many other things, though.  (sadly that post is gone forever)

Jaqen leaves.  Presumably leaves Westeroes.  Tropes being what they are he's too good a character to put him on a bus forever. Suddenly, a character with many of his same character traits is introduced in Dany's plot.  Apparently, an expert assassin as well as a damn good warrior, with an awfully familiar audaciousness to him.  And gets very close to Dany.  Close to her heart...[/spoil:1urwnsgm]
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Post by: stromboli on June 04, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Season ender next week. More surprises. Don't miss.
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Post by: missingnocchi on June 04, 2013, 10:48:10 AM
I started watching the show a while ago. Only a couple episodes in, but I'm halfway through A Dance with Dragons in the book series. From the discussion, I can tell what point you're at. Actually, I stopped reading the books for a while after that point, but I'm really glad I started again. There is still a lot of cool stuff that's going to happen in season 3, so don't lose hope.

My opinion of the TV adaptation is that everything is perfect, except for Ned Stark. I think he isn't cast well to play the character I knew in the book, and it seems like the result of that is a somewhat different Ned. On the other hand, Robb's portrayal actually enhances my view of him in the books. He isn't nearly as fleshed out as the other characters in the original books, and most of my desire for him to succeed was driven by hating the Lannisters. Now I can actually feel the power of the Young Wolf.
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Post by: stromboli on June 04, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
I think the problem from an author's point of view is that he knows certain characters like Robb, Viserys and Khal Drogo are going to be toast at some point, so he isn't necessarily going to invest a lot into fleshing out the character. Ned Stark might be a good example also. In his case I think Sean Bean was almost a foregone conclusion to play him. I noted when reading that certain characters do tend to be more developed- Brienne, Tyrion, Arya and Sansa, for example, than their initial importance in the story. This is an indication of their future, in my opinion. At the beginning when reading, I never thought Tyrion would become so central. Give Martin credit, he knows how to upend traditional plotting and give it a fresh twist.

I'm dying for the next volume to come out because Martin left some major WTF? at the end of the last book. He really aggravated me with that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2013, 02:33:37 PM
S3E9 spoilders:

[spoil:q6iwl9cw](http://http://24.media.tumblr.com/0909e75621ef3967f7156bfb6fb77aa4/tumblr_mnuzsnMB591rb3m66o1_250.gif)

Oh you.   :lol:

(http://http://i.imgur.com/d6d5Ip7.jpg)

He's not taking his character's death very well.  I sorta feel bad for him, but on the other hand, Richard Madden is a lucky, lucky man.  He has the impossible girlfriend.

(http://http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3t4p4ZQ7c1r2gpjvo1_500.png)

When I was your age, I would have broken 50 oaths to get into that.   :-D[/spoil:q6iwl9cw]
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Post by: stromboli on June 04, 2013, 09:12:42 PM
Jenna Louise Coleman
https://www.google.com/search?q=richard ... 80&bih=923 (https://www.google.com/search?q=richard+madden+girlfriend+jenna+louise+coleman&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS415US450&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=64-uUZHwGuXIigLzk4HICw&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=923)

Yowsa.
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Post by: Shiranu on June 04, 2013, 10:31:02 PM
Meh.
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Post by: Notthesun on June 05, 2013, 12:54:38 AM
There are no main characters in Game of Thrones. That's what makes this series so amazing. Anyone can die!!!!
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2013, 03:03:09 AM
Quote from: "Notthesun"
There are no main characters in Game of Thrones. That's what makes this series so amazing.
I dunno about that.  It's fairly obvious who the focal characters are, there's just a lot of them and they get shuffled around a lot, with characters dying off and other characters gaining prominence.  There are also supporting characters who you know will never achieve much prominence - various servants and squires and working ladies and peasants.

I do appreciate that anyone can die, but he makes Hamlet look like Spongebob Squarepants.  There are probably more character deaths in Game of Thrones than Walking Dead.  And the real twist of the knife is that it happens to major characters you've grown attached to and you usually don't see it coming.  It doesn't follow the pattern that you'd expect.  The cop two days from retirement, the wizened mentor, the Red Shirt, the hero's bff comrade, etc - those I can see.  Nope, instead it's characters who you'd expect to be firmly under the protection of character shields who bite it.  And boy do they bite it...
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Post by: Notthesun on June 05, 2013, 04:00:48 AM
See, I still stick to my point. I do not think there are any real main characters in Game of Thrones. Sure, there are the ones he gives chapter perspectives to, but any person is just as much capable of dying as the other. I suppose I just like to think GRRM broke free from the whole idea.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 10, 2013, 11:09:33 PM
So the season finale was not a big WOW like episode 9, but still had some great moments.  To recap some of the things that stood out for me:

[spoil:1nc0xf4x]Arya gets to see her brother's body with his wolfs head sewn on.  That was gruesome.  I was actually cheering for her when she got off the horse at the Frey camp, acting all urchin cute, and then went all stabity on that guy.  Good thing the Hound was there to take care of the rest of them, I think she didn't care if she died.  It was odd how funny the rest of that scene was. The Hound: "Where did you get that knife?"  Arya: "From you." Then hands it back to him without batting an eyelash, while he admonishes her to warn him next time she wants to kill someone.  Somehow, those two are both macabre and humorous.

John Snow proves that he does, indeed, know nothing with his little speech to Ygritte, right before she fills him full of arrows.  Good thing his dad was Borimir, or surely 3 arrows would have killed him.  :rolleyes:
Also, nice that Ygritte gets to fulfill the stereotypical redhead AND woman scorned...soooo predictable.  Ah well.

I don't care what the rest of you say, I like Sam.  I liked the scene with Maester Aemon as well.

So it turns out the Onion Knight (Sir Davos) is the most moral man in all of Westeros.  I swear, Stannis is stupid and easily led, not great traits for a king.  I'd totally hate his storyline if it weren't for Davos, who I just love to death.  Plus, he sure did learn to read fast!  Why is there a G in night?  Good question.  Stupid English spelling.  
It was damn funny when the Red Witch saved Davos.  I thought his eyes might fall out of his head.  That woman has some strange agenda.  Gald some stories will be converging at the wall soon (I hope).

Loved the story Bran tells about the Rat Cook, and how killing someone with guest rights beneath your own roof is the most reprehensible crime in the eyes of the gods.  Murder?  Naw, that's ok if someone did you wrong. Canabalism?  Not a biggie. But murdering someone after feeding them in your own house?  Then you're doomed for eternity.
Gives me hope that Walder Frey will get his eventually.

Did Cerci look disgusted when she saw Jaimies hand, or was that just me?

Theon's sister apparently didn't get the total douche gene from her dad.  Yay!  But it may be too late for poor, dickless Theon (aka Reek).

Tyrion continues to be shit on by his father, who is smart but also a GIANT asshole (although seeing him send Jeoffry off to bed for showing temper was pure awesome).
But really, how much contempt does he have for Tyrion?  You should be thankful I didn't drown you in the sea when you were born, you malformed little troll.  Love you too dad!  But Tyrions whore...whatever the hell her name is, geeze, Dumb bitch.  You are a "problem" and even you admit you know that.  There are only two ways people in Westeros know how to deal with problems like you, buy them off, or kill them.  Turned down a BAG OF DIOMONDS, continues to act like a prissy, entitled bitch.  I think I can predict her future!
What does Tyrion see in her anyway?

I never know what to say about Sansa's story line every week except...poor Sansa.  Do you think the little monster king got to tell her about her mom and bro?

Kind of didn't like the whole Dany, slaves calling her "mother" ending.  If it was suppsed to be heartwarming, it missed the mark with me, just made me feel like Dany is letting it all go to her head, kind of sick.  First time in a while I'm not liking Dany's storyline.

And Brienne is still alive.  And Gendry too.  So yay for that![/spoil:1nc0xf4x]
And now we get to wait a year to find out what happens next!  #-o
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on June 11, 2013, 03:04:27 AM
They only called her mother because she is the mother of dragons. Also, remember she is a young girl. 16-18, I believe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Jason78 on June 11, 2013, 04:19:11 AM
Quote from: "Aroura33"
And now we get to wait a year to find out what happens next!

Yay!   We get to wait a whole year!


Cryogenic freezing can't come fast enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: missingnocchi on June 11, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
Seems like the timeline is being changed quite a bit for the show. You guys are referencing events from 3 different books in one episode. I think that's good though, a lot of the stuff in books 4 & 5 is boring, so it would be terrible to have to deal with it all at once. I heard George RR Martin is trying to fix some continuity/story issues from the books in the show, so I trust that the changes are for the better.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Agramon on June 11, 2013, 01:14:41 PM
My favorite scene:

[spoil:2uwj41ib](http://http://i.imgur.com/gfmnyRk.gif)
I can't help but love how sadistic Ramsay is. My second favorite scene was Hodor hearing his echo.[/spoil:2uwj41ib]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 12, 2013, 01:28:00 AM
S3E10:

[spoil:2wirna7f]I'm sorta disappointed that there wasn't anything really notable happen in this season's finale.  Not like we need anything after the Red Wedding, but still, season 2 had Dany's final showdown with  Pyat Pree and the undead army moving in while season 1 had.  All three seasons had MAJOR shockers in episode 9 (public execution, a major battle, and a bloodbath of a wedding, respectively), with still some craziness to spare for the finale except season 3.  :(

I disliked Arya's petty revenge.  It accomplished nothing, and probably endangered the both of them.  Way to go.

Jon got shot so that's good news.  Ygritte's definitely getting some mileage out of those crazy pills.

Crapsack meets Ravenboy, forming a critical mass of uselessness and boredom.   :-|

Tywinn puts the King to bed.  Pure awesomesauce.  But seriously, Tyrion had better watch his mouth.  Last time he was wasted out of his mind, but doing it sober (well, as sober as Tyrion gets) in front of the Small Council?  He's lucky he only got off with a warning this time.  And Pycelle totally dropped that note intentionally.  Such a troll.

Jaimie's back.  Finally.  There's been a dearth of actual (non-painful) sex scenes lately that sorely need to be made up for.

Plenty of Team Stannis in this one.  Mostly just reiterating that they really need Gendry as a sacrifice.  Thanks for the newsflash.  And Seaworth springs him (surprise surprise) and escapes death only because 1) he's great at dealing with mailbox spam 2) Melisandra sees his future and is convinced they need him.  To what?  Marshal allies?  Been there, done that, still have the 3rd degree burns.  Team Stannis is apparently switching gears from the civil war (which they've all but lost) to the zombie apocalypse.  Good for them, but Melisandra aside, they don't have jack all to fight them with.  So good luck there.  And good luck in the civil war.  The Lannisters defeated their only real opposition - the Starks - and are pretty much impossible to unseat now.   :(

Dany is really starting to annoy me.  Her plot is just sooo cheerful and successful compared to everything else going on.  Can't wait for her to crash back down to cold reality.[/spoil:2wirna7f]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 12, 2013, 02:13:49 AM
[spoil:shwhgh9y]
Quote from: "Aroura33"
So it turns out the Onion Knight (Sir Davos) is the most moral man in all of Westeros.  I swear, Stannis is stupid and easily led, not great traits for a king.
Hey!  He's just trying to fulfill his destiny, claiming a throne that does actually belong to him and using whatever's available at hand to make it happen.  Sure, he gets pushed around by the Red Lady, but she apparently has spiritual intel that no one else is privy to, so it makes sense that's he's pretty trusting with her.  All in all, he's probably the best out of all the claimants to the throne besides Dany.

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Why is there a G in night?  Good question.  Stupid English spelling.
Seriously.  I still don't even know how to spell gra/ey.  And is it fat chance or slim chance?  And who the hell decided that Bill is short for William?  And don't even get me started on possessives for words ending in a s.

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Loved the story Bran tells about the Rat Cook, and how killing someone with guest rights beneath your own roof is the most reprehensible crime in the eyes of the gods.  Murder?  Naw, that's ok if someone did you wrong. Canabalism?  Not a biggie. But murdering someone after feeding them in your own house?  Then your doomed for eternity.
That one actually makes sense.  It's a biggie back in ancient times, story of Lot and all.

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Gives me hope that Walder Frey will get his eventually.
By the looks of things, Lord Bolton is probably going to be the one dishing it out, seeing as he's going to be settling in the area and Frey might prove to be a threat in the future.

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Theon's sister apparently didn't get the total douche gene from her dad.  Yay!  But it may be too late for poor, dickless Theon (aka Reek).
Just a tad late for a rescue.  At this stage, Lord Greyjoy is probably doing his son a favor.

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Tyrions whore...whatever the hell her name is, geeze, Dumb bitch.  You are a "problem" and even you admit you know that.  There are only two ways people in Westeros know how to deal with problems like you, buy them off, or kill them.  Turned down a BAG OF DIOMONDS, continues to act like a prissy, entitled bitch.  I think I can predict her future!
What does Tyrion see in her anyway?
Yep.  She's a goner.  She'll probably end up getting captured by Tywinn or Cerci or Littlefinger or (gods help her) Joffrey, and endangering both her life and Tyrion's life.

I don't really see the point in having her in King's Landing undercover if all she's going to do anymore is be jealous of Sansa, of all people.  GTFO already.

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Kind of didn't like the whole Dany, slaves calling her "mother" ending.  If it was supposed to be heartwarming, it missed the mark with me, just made me feel like Dany is letting it all go to her head, kind of sick.  First time in a while I'm not liking Dany's storyline.
Same.  She never even lifted a finger the entire time in Yunkai (the Westeroes equivalent of France, apparently), and come to think of it, her conquest of Astapor (the Westeroes equivalent of Austria (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes)) was pretty damn easy, too.  "Here's my whole army for your dragon, which I will leash just like a dog and personally try to tame.  I sure hope it doesn't burn my face off while you steal my army and burn my whole city to the ground."  Wah waah.[/spoil:shwhgh9y]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: WitchSabrina on June 12, 2013, 10:04:42 AM
You guys know I'm reading these and completely screwing myself up in the process - right?

(http://http://www.woombie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/crying-baby-1.jpg)
cannot watch Game of Thrones............. must wait for release of videos.........  waaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 12, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
You guys know I'm reading these and completely screwing myself up in the process - right?
(http://http://i.qkme.me/3utpjr.jpg)

Seriously, stay away from this thread if you're not all caught up on the TV show.  That's what I do when a new episode airs and I haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: WitchSabrina on June 12, 2013, 11:28:42 AM
Quote from: "Hydra009"
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
You guys know I'm reading these and completely screwing myself up in the process - right?
(http://http://i.qkme.me/3utpjr.jpg)

Seriously, stay away from this thread if you're not all caught up on the TV show.  That's what I do when a new episode airs and I haven't seen it yet.

I know -I know you're right.
*hangs head in shame*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 12, 2013, 06:17:43 PM
Honestly, we ARE spoiling just about everything we say in this thread, too!  [-X

I think season one was pretty close to the book, but since then they have started to pull things from all the books to make the TV story easier to follow.  Since parts of books 3 and 4 AND 5 happen at the same time (which was confusing enough while reading it), it makes perfect sense for the TV writers not to strictly follow the books, but instead create a more streamlined timeline and follow it.  I do not envy them their task.  Even I get confused on who did what to whom for how many cookies, and trying to sort it all out so that a TV audience can follow along and actually CARE about it all must be hard.  Some people's stories have already suffered a LOT.  There are characters in the TV show who are extreeeeemely boring to watch, but who, in the books, are some of my favorite characters.  Jon Snow (and hell, the whole nights watch, really) is the best example of this.  His story is really interesting and intriguing in the books, but a downright snoozefest in the TV show.
Dany gets the opposite problem.  She's also wonderful in the books, but on TV she's raised to almost "The only storyline anyone cares about" status.

I like that the TV show puts faces to the characters for me, but honestly, I recommend any one watching the show to take the time between now and next season and read the books!  The characters are sooo much more believable, so much richer, and their motives make a lot more sense when you get to read the thought processes going on, and all the other details.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 12, 2013, 06:32:40 PM
[spoil:16vn5jwk]
Quote from: "Hydra009"
Quote from: "Aroura33"
Loved the story Bran tells about the Rat Cook, and how killing someone with guest rights beneath your own roof is the most reprehensible crime in the eyes of the gods.  Murder?  Naw, that's ok if someone did you wrong. Canabalism?  Not a biggie. But murdering someone after feeding them in your own house?  Then your doomed for eternity.
That one actually makes sense.  It's a biggie back in ancient times, story of Lot and all..
[/spoil:16vn5jwk]
I know this, that's why I loved it!  I was afraid they were not going to make this clear in the TV show, because lets face it, a lot of TV viewers are not the brightest people.  I had already seen a lot of forum chatter (over at TWOP) expressing confusion on the scene where the Stark Party is greeted with trays of bread and large bowls of salt.  They didn't get the point.
Even Christians don't often actually understand the morals of their own stories.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 13, 2013, 03:35:45 AM
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Quote from: "Aroura33"
I know this, that's why I loved it!  I was afraid they were not going to make this clear in the TV show, because lets face it, a lot of TV viewers are not the brightest people.  I had already seen a lot of forum chatter (over at TWOP) expressing confusion on the scene where the Stark Party is greeted with trays of bread and large bowls of salt.  They didn't get the point.
Even Christians don't often actually understand the morals of their own stories.
Yep, it's mainly there to tell the viewers that what Frey did would be considered extremely morally repulsive to just about everyone even in the staggeringly sanguinary Westeroes world.[/spoil:37d2oxy1]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Agramon on June 13, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
[spoil:3oul0esz]It just occurred to me that the guy blowing the trumpet...

[youtube:3oul0esz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y51M4totvXQ[/youtube:3oul0esz]

...was Ramsay.[/spoil:3oul0esz]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on August 23, 2013, 04:13:05 PM
Season 4 needs to get here already!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: JonathanG on August 23, 2013, 05:17:59 PM
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Season 4 needs to get here already!

Book 6 needs to get here already, too!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 24, 2013, 01:23:27 AM
That's why I've started reading the books.  Daddy needs his fix.

I'm only halfway through the first one, and I've gotta say, they're pretty good.  Fills in a lot of backstory, little details, and character's inner thoughts that you don't get in the TV series.  I also remember things better when I just read it rather than saw it last week.  Or month.  Or year.

I had no idea King Robert (aka King Lard) was so damn awesome back in the day.

(http://http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4k6tzFVbp1qgjqzzo1_500.jpg)
(http://http://i.imgur.com/vkSXgiW.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Agramon on August 24, 2013, 03:08:04 AM
I really hope they flash back to Robert's Rebellion when he faces off with Rhaegar. I just want to see Robert in full HAMMER SMASH mode.  :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 24, 2013, 03:15:09 AM
Wore my Stark shirt to class yesterday... I was happy that I got 3, "Oh dude! Nice shirt!"s but at the same time dissapointed that I only got 3, "Oh dude! Nice shirt!"s.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on August 24, 2013, 04:55:41 AM
The 6th book needs to get here NOW!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 24, 2013, 08:23:39 AM
Quote from: "Shiranu"
Wore my Stark shirt to class yesterday... I was happy that I got 3, "Oh dude! Nice shirt!"s but at the same time dissapointed that I only got 3, "Oh dude! Nice shirt!"s.
No one said [spoil:1f7hqhu6]The Lannisters send their regards[/spoil:1f7hqhu6]
?  Talk about a wasted opportunity.

At the very least, I'd at least inform you that the night is dark and full of terrors.  ^_^
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: GrinningYMIR on August 24, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Argh, I don't have HBO, waiting for the DVD to see season 3 ><

Heard it was great though, eager to see the new stuff.

I recently bought the first three books but I haven't had time to read them, hoping to soon though
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on October 27, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
[Season 1 spoilers]
[spoil:2c3sa5l0]Been going through a lot of Game of Thrones videos lately:

[youtube:2c3sa5l0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Mp8MzAjAY[/youtube:2c3sa5l0]

I really wish this scene had been in the TV show.

[youtube:2c3sa5l0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reepxduMxiU[/youtube:2c3sa5l0]
[youtube:2c3sa5l0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lioKGRJi7zo[/youtube:2c3sa5l0]

The lore videos are also really good.  You get to see the rebellion from all sides' perspective.  You really get a sense of how troubled the kingdom was during the reign of the Mad King and even though disparate rebel forces united against him, there were lots of cracks in their alliances, cracks that only widened...[/spoil:2c3sa5l0]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on March 10, 2014, 12:53:47 AM
We are less than a month away! Dear God I cannot wait!!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Atheon on March 10, 2014, 01:38:46 AM
I want to see if...

[spoil:37uve7bw]Theon Greyjoy really got his penis lopped off.[/spoil:37uve7bw]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: wolf39us on March 10, 2014, 10:20:01 AM
Waiting so patiently!!

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on March 12, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
[youtube:39pxb5l9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLE0NIeBOgc[/youtube:39pxb5l9]

Tyrion's definitely a crowd favorite, even among the actors.  Nobody went with Stannis.  :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on March 13, 2014, 09:08:03 AM
I must confess that I went on a binge: watched seasons 1 and 2, last month; and then season 3, the last two days. Guess I'm ready for season 4.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: PickelledEggs on April 07, 2014, 04:36:41 PM
I don't watch Game of Thrones, but this cat does a great rendition of the theme song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEg4SEch27w
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 08, 2014, 07:52:12 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 08, 2014, 08:15:30 AM
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Tyrion's definitely a crowd favorite, even among the actors.  Nobody went with Stannis.  :(

I would probably go with one of the Tyrells... they are the most powerful family and generally the one I relate to the most anyways; sit back and let other people play the game against each other while they secure as much power as they need to without drawing attention to themselves. And truthfully they are the most powerful family in the series; while the Lannisters would argue they have all the gold... that gold isn't edible. The Tyrells reign over the most fertile region of Westeros and own the most food, natural resources and people. A well-fed army and a large population will do them alot more good than bags of gold when shit hits the fan.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 08, 2014, 10:08:31 AM
Top five characters, anyone?

5) Hodor (Hodor, 'nuff said)
4) Jon Snow (You gotta love the underdog of  the wolf-pack.)
3) Daenerys Targarian (I liked her from the beginning, but she really grew into a fiercefull and amazing character.)
2) Davos Seaworth (Not many like him that much, I get the impression. But his honesty and loyalty really resonate well with me.)
1) Tyrion (both in books as in show; perhaps we can fashion him an iron throne forged from daggers)

This was more difficult than I thought. You guys have a top 5?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 08, 2014, 10:47:21 AM
No real order, I like them in different ways.

1. Daenerys Targarian, for just being a straight up bad ass, her code of ethics and being the rightful heir to the throne (for whatever that is actually worth, given the nature of Westeros aristocracy).
2. Ser Mormont... guy is just really cool.
3. The two Tyrell women... I love them both; they are both playing the system without anyone noticing them.
4. Littlefinger; this will be my list's Davos... this dude is just amazingly nefarious and ambitious. I only dislike him because I fear he will cause the death of other characters I like.
5. Arya and/or the Hound: The character development of Arya I really like, but at the same time I love the Hound just being a complete dick.

Honourable mentions; Ramsey (crazy as fuck), the mercenary with Tyrion (not as, but still, crazy as fuck) Davos (I like him), Stannis, Jamie, the blonde swordswoman... and a whole bunch of other's who's names I cant remember off hand but don't want to describe them for fear of spoilers. I love almost all the characters in GoT, even if it's a love-hate relationship.

I would put Theron Greyjoy on the list but unfortunately I didn't want to go past 5. I feel really, REALLY bad for him because I have a hard time blaming him for what he did.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 08, 2014, 01:28:45 PM
Top five characters, anyone?

5) Hodor (Hodor, 'nuff said)
4) Jon Snow (You gotta love the underdog of  the wolf-pack.)
3) Daenerys Targarian (I liked her from the beginning, but she really grew into a fiercefull and amazing character.)
2) Davos Seaworth (Not many like him that much, I get the impression. But his honesty and loyalty really resonate well with me.)
1) Tyrion (both in books as in show; perhaps we can fashion him an iron throne forged from daggers)

This was more difficult than I thought. You guys have a top 5?

Yikes, you left out the dragons?!??! How could you?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 08, 2014, 01:38:28 PM
Yikes, you left out the dragons?!??! How could you?

Hodor.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 08, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
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Yikes, you left out the dragons?!??! How could you?


Hodor.

Don't know what that means, but if it is a spoiler alert, then let's not go there. :biggrin2:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on April 08, 2014, 03:42:34 PM
My problem is I read the books. I know what transpires next.
Tyrion, but in the book he was seriously disfigured in the battle of Blackwater.

Daenaerys, of course

Shae, played by Sebelli Kekilli, a former porn star. there are a few porn stars in the show
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/04/08/game-thrones-porn-star-cast-members-revealed/

Makes sense to me.  :biggrin:

Oberon Martell. Well played by the actor, Pedro Pascal. They did a great job of casting there. He really fits the character.

Arya and Sansa Stark; for different reasons

Arya because of her role in the story, but in the book she is a younger person.

Sansa in the show because the actress, Sophie Turner, is dead on in her portrayal. She won't get the credit because the character she plays is full of angst and indecision, but she nailed it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 08, 2014, 07:45:52 PM
I like Shaw, even if she's a bit... bitchy...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on April 08, 2014, 10:47:37 PM
What, nobody likes Brienne of Tarth? Actually a brilliant job of casting. she is also a dead on portrayal by the actress.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 09, 2014, 12:50:52 PM
What I'm hoping in season 4 is a battle of wits between Tywin and Olenna Tyrell (played by the formidable Diana Riggs).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 09, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
What I'm hoping in season 4 is a battle of wits between Tywin and Olenna Tyrell (played by the formidable Diana Riggs).

Yes please.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pioteir on April 09, 2014, 06:06:44 PM
What I'm hoping in season 4 is a battle of wits between Tywin and Olenna Tyrell (played by the formidable Diana Riggs).

Don't know about You but I think Tyrion is kinda overwhelmed as of late. I'm still waiting for him to show what he's made of.
Also can't wait for Arya's arc to unfold. I haven't read the books so I'd love to see her training to become the faceless assassin. But that's just me.

I don't know if anyone's seen this clip but it's uber accurate if You ask me :))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0

Beeewwwwbs!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 09, 2014, 07:12:23 PM
Spoiler alert if you haven't seen season 4, epi 1

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Don't know about You but I think Tyrion is kinda overwhelmed as of late. I'm still waiting for him to show what he's made of.

He doesn't know yet that Cercei knows about his love for Shea. That should create a few sparks.


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Also can't wait for Arya's arc to unfold. I haven't read the books so I'd love to see her training to become the faceless assassin. But that's just me.


Valar Morghulis

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 10, 2014, 03:00:00 AM
Top five characters, anyone?
5) Jorah Mormont
4) Tyrion Lannister
3) Varys
2) Jaqen H'ghar
1) Stannis Baratheon.  Born of Salt and Fire.  Rightful ruler of Westeroes.

Honorable mentions to Margaery, Brienne, and Olenna Tyrell.

Note the utter lack of Starks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 10, 2014, 08:07:47 AM


Note the utter lack of Starks.

BLASPHEMY

Signed: Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon

(Jon wasn't available)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 10, 2014, 09:15:21 AM
Arya is the only Stark I care for (not counting Jon as a Stark, and even then I am "meh" on him).

Yay for more Margaery and Mormont love :D.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 10, 2014, 09:58:14 AM
There's something to be said about Sansa. She went from, ''yeah I will marry the future king'', to, ''yikes, he's a fucking monster'', to, ''oh, I'm now married to a dwarf, how can I fuck that?''
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 10, 2014, 01:15:35 PM
There's something to be said about Sansa. She went from, ''yeah I will marry the future king'', to, ''yikes, he's a fucking monster'', to, ''oh, I'm now married to a dwarf, how can I fuck that?''
It's less "how can I fuck that?" to "my husband is kin to the monster who killed my family and he's hideous and I'm still scared for my life and I don't know if I can even trust him let alone love him".

The moment she ever does anything in the show, I may change my views on her.  But mostly, she's a character who bad stuff happens to.  (apologies to my English teacher)  Aside from soliciting aid and telling the Tyrells the bleeding obvious (lol necklace of sparrow heads) Sansa is almost entirely a reactive character.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Jason78 on April 11, 2014, 01:44:52 PM
I don't know if anyone's seen this clip but it's uber accurate if You ask me :))

Beeewwwwbs!!!

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/408/919/a7f.jpg)

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

Damn that's good trailer!

Edit: for spoiler tags
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on April 14, 2014, 01:02:46 PM
Surprise! Joffrey's dead. Little nasty man bites the bitter pill. Tyrion gets the blame! Who did it? Gasp! And Shae is gone! Or is she? Oooooh. Better pay attention, boys and girls!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on April 14, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
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Top five characters, anyone?

1. Tyrion
2. Dany Targaryen
3. The Hound
4. Jamie Lanister
5. Jon Snow

Honorable Mentions to Varys, Little Finger, and Stanis/Red Witch



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 14, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
Nice spoilers (thankfully I watched it about an hour before reading it...).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 14, 2014, 09:04:08 PM
Fuck, Dany was nowhere in epi 2, what's wrong with those producers?!??!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 15, 2014, 01:33:00 AM
Surprise! Joffrey's dead. Little nasty man bites the bitter pill. Tyrion gets the blame! Who did it? Gasp! And Shae is gone! Or is she? Oooooh. Better pay attention, boys and girls!
Tyrion grabbed the poison cup from Margery's setting.  And she was calling Joffrey over for a toast before Joffrey got distracted with Tyrion.  And wasn't Olenna Tyrell just saying how dreadful it was that a man was killed on his wedding night?  The funny thing about roses is that they're so beautiful that people forget the thorns.  Growing strong.  Growing sharp.

It's positively priceless how well Tyrion is framed for this, but obviously, poison is hardly a crime of passion.  But tell that to Cercei, who already hated him and whose one redeeming quality is the love of her children.  Stiring her to vengeance is like pushing water down a hill.

This assassination was so flawless that I'm surprised I didn't see Jaqen H'gar anywhere.  Though maybe I did and I just didn't know it...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 15, 2014, 01:53:19 AM
Fuck, Dany was nowhere in epi 2, what's wrong with those producers?!??!
Khaleesi gets enough screen time as it is and wastes far too much of it.  Instead of Stormborn, I'd call her Spring, because she's always marching.

I'm just glad Stannis got a brief scene.  I'm sensing a bit of a fire motif from his faction.  I love how brutally honest he is about everything.  "More than you", "Meat's bad", "Of course I remember", etc.  He's a straight shooter through and through.  I love how he frames the heretics' deaths, not as religious crime but a secular one - "I gave them an order and they disobeyed".  Very shrewd.  I also loved how he didn't answer the question regarding whether or not he could see the heretics' souls.  Maybe he doesn't see anything in the flames...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 15, 2014, 02:00:51 AM
I don't know what the Tyrell would gain from it though...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 15, 2014, 02:38:26 AM
I don't know what the Tyrell would gain from it though...
That depends on who's in line for the Throne.  Jamie, perhaps?  Though he doesn't exactly strike me as the kingly type.

Who was that magician from season 1 who tried his best to keep the lion and the wolf at odds?  With no more wolf, the lion grows fat and proud and...powerful.  Far too powerful.  And just as the seven kingdoms knew the fleeting caress of peace.  How untimely.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Jason78 on April 15, 2014, 06:43:29 AM
S04E02 - Best GoT Episode ever!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 15, 2014, 06:47:44 AM
Well, it seems that in GoT, a wedding will lead to the killing of one of the major characters. It happened twice so far, hope this is not a trend.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 15, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
Well, it seems that in GoT, a wedding will lead to the killing of one of the major characters. It happened twice so far, hope this is not a trend.
Cersei is getting married next.  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on April 15, 2014, 02:42:39 PM
No spoilers, but this season will have some very interesting turns of events, so you really want to watch. I'll wait a day before posting after each episode, so as not to spoil it for any that missed the first airing.

One thing you can say for George Martin, he really doesn't leave you with stereotypical conclusions of issues. Every book ends with a WTF? ending that leaves you with your mouth open and no idea what will happen next. I mean I've been reading all manner of fiction since I was a small boy, and he is not like any other author. He really does leave you clueless and guessing what will happen next.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 15, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Cersei is getting married next.  :)

She won't.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on April 15, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
Hope you don't think that this is a spoiler, but rather a reminder- Margaery Tyrell is now the queen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 15, 2014, 04:28:40 PM
Hope you don't think that this is a spoiler, but rather a reminder- Margaery Tyrell is now the queen.

Oh, okay. Didn't realize the crown would carry over to women. This makes me very happy as the Tyrells are the shit, though sad because it means Margery will probably be dead soon :lol:.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 15, 2014, 11:31:49 PM
Oh, okay. Didn't realize the crown would carry over to women. This makes me very happy as the Tyrells are the shit, though sad because it means Margery will probably be dead soon :lol:.
I dunno about that.  She's a LOT smarter than she looks.  And handy with a crossbow.  And the Tyrells in general tend to be just as ambitious as the Lannisters but 80% less cruel.  They also tend to be very amiable and inoffensive.  This is a house that excels at court.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on April 16, 2014, 04:45:09 AM
Hope you don't think that this is a spoiler, but rather a reminder- Margaery Tyrell is now the queen.
No way, Stannis is the rightful heir to the throne,  :pirate:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on April 20, 2014, 11:21:20 PM
It's less "how can I fuck that?" to "my husband is kin to the monster who killed my family and he's hideous and I'm still scared for my life and I don't know if I can even trust him let alone love him".

The moment she ever does anything in the show, I may change my views on her.  But mostly, she's a character who bad stuff happens to.  (apologies to my English teacher)  Aside from soliciting aid and telling the Tyrells the bleeding obvious (lol necklace of sparrow heads) Sansa is almost entirely a reactive character.
She's also a little fucking girl. What the hell do you expect her to do? You want her to operate the way Varys does? She can't. You want her to be all rebel and brave like Arya? She can't. She was never as tough as Arya and Arya has no choice since she's on the run. Give Sansa a break. She is an absolutely beautiful character. I love her. That goes for you to Shiranu! Sansa is amazing.

I don't know what the Tyrell would gain from it though...
You're not paying attention...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pioteir on April 21, 2014, 08:24:15 AM
She's also a little fucking girl. What the hell do you expect her to do? You want her to operate the way Varys does? She can't. You want her to be all rebel and brave like Arya? She can't. She was never as tough as Arya and Arya has no choice since she's on the run. Give Sansa a break. She is an absolutely beautiful character. I love her. That goes for you to Shiranu! Sansa is amazing.

As beautiful as she may be, she's still irritating as fuck.

As for the early departure of the most irritating character in the series, anyone else remebers the yellow-wearing-both-ways-swinging-grudge-carrying Oberyn?

And tell me who didn't have the motive to kill that little cunt. I mean seriously...
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Post by: josephpalazzo on April 21, 2014, 08:54:33 AM
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Post by: stromboli on April 21, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
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It gets better. You ain't seen nothing yet. But you are right about Littlefinger.
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Post by: Berati on April 25, 2014, 01:20:34 PM
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Unless Little Finger made a deal with someone else that may be explained later? Baelish would sell his own mother into slavery if he got something out of it and he is always plotting and scheming.

Joffrey was such an erratic freak that almost everyone has a motive to kill him. i.e. He might kill me next!
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Post by: stromboli on April 25, 2014, 02:44:04 PM
Note that Littlefinger knew to pull Sansa out of the middle of things- so he had some kind of foreknowledge. This isn't a spoiler- in the books- I've read all the ones so far- no assassin is named. However, by inference you can deduce who profits from it. Tywin gets rid of some problems by getting rid of Joffrey, so he is a possibility. I guarantee he knows more about everything than he lets on. It might be someone else, but he comes up the most likely. Littlefinger had the hots for Sansa's mom, and shelooks a lot like her mother, so he definitely is interested in her.

There are a lot of side players like Varys that could figure in. He is sometimes a good person or a bad one, and he has an agenda of his own, but you don't know what it is. There are surprises yet to happen. Stay tuned.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on April 25, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
On replay of that episode, I've noticed that Olenna seems to have removed a crystal from Sansa's necklace, which was given to her by Dontos Hollard, the same guy who pulls Sansa from the wedding after the assassination to lead her to littlefingers. During the wedding, Olenna was sitting close to Joffrey and could have easily dropped the crystal (poison) into the wine glass. But I don't know what Olenna would gain from this, since her daughter was marrying the king. Oh the web we weave!
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Post by: pioteir on April 25, 2014, 03:40:10 PM
Maybe Tywin plotted this with Olenna, and is pulling Oberyn in to unite the kingdom, stop the sensless killing and chaos and prepare for the ice zombies and dragons both coming their way. King little shit was too random and ... well... psycho for Tywin to control or to stabilize the kingdom.

I'm getting tired of seeing Dany and Arya traveling and traveling and traveling some more. DO SOME SHIT GODDAMIT!!!

Stannis is becoming more and more irritating in his psycho lord-of-light babble, burning people etc. Make some moves or gtfo. The old dude thought of an idea to buy them an army of mercs, we'll see where that gets them. I only hope they won't be travellin' for the rest of the season....
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Post by: stromboli on April 25, 2014, 04:06:12 PM
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Post by: josephpalazzo on April 25, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
It would make sense that Tywin would plot with Olenna - have Joffrey killed, then get Tommen to marry Margaery. It's a win-win.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on April 25, 2014, 10:11:32 PM
Note that Littlefinger knew to pull Sansa out of the middle of things- so he had some kind of foreknowledge. This isn't a spoiler- in the books- I've read all the ones so far- no assassin is named. However, by inference you can deduce who profits from it. Tywin gets rid of some problems by getting rid of Joffrey, so he is a possibility. I guarantee he knows more about everything than he lets on. It might be someone else, but he comes up the most likely. Littlefinger had the hots for Sansa's mom, and shelooks a lot like her mother, so he definitely is interested in her.

There are a lot of side players like Varys that could figure in. He is sometimes a good person or a bad one, and he has an agenda of his own, but you don't know what it is. There are surprises yet to happen. Stay tuned.

I agree.
I think it was little finger and I think the old lady had the motivation. She did not want hot Margaery married to a freak who was likely to kill her. She would have needed an insider to pull off the deed and who better than the craftly merciless Baelish. It doesn't hurt that her nick name is The Queen of Thorns.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on April 25, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
There are a lot of side players like Varys that could figure in. He is sometimes a good person or a bad one, and he has an agenda of his own, but you don't know what it is. There are surprises yet to happen. Stay tuned.
You know, I think Varys might be one of the only truly good guys. Almost everyone one else is morally ambiguous but Varys seems to genuinely want to avoid chaos.
In season one he helps Ned Stark and when asked why he trusts Ned enough to help him he says  "There are few men of honor in the capital. You are one of them. I would like to believe that I am another, strange as that may seem."

Later, when Ned is in the jail cell and asks him who he serves he replies  "The realm, my lord. Someone must."

I can't find anything he has done that is violent or cruel for it's own sake. Sometimes he seems not to help some of the "good" guys (if there are any) but it's  seems it's because he couldn't, not that he didn't want to.
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Post by: Shiranu on April 25, 2014, 11:01:07 PM
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I can't find anything he has done that is violent or cruel for it's own sake.

His revenge that he shows Tyrion? Granted, it's arguably justified, but it shows he can be dark and down-right evil.

I am putting it on Littlefinger or Shae. Tywinn seems to be playing it really cool but I think that is just how he is and not because he planned this. Littlefinger is obvious candidate, but Shae is this mysterious woman from across the sea who has reason to be angry at certain (all?) Lannisters and who has proven before that she can be very... cold and almost experienced... when it comes to violence. And we never actually saw her leave the capital, who's to say she didn't slip back in and do something?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on April 25, 2014, 11:54:55 PM
All I will say is the shit's going DOWN.   :biggrin:
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Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on April 25, 2014, 11:57:36 PM
All I will say is the shit's going DOWN.   :biggrin:
As opposed to going up?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on April 26, 2014, 08:53:18 AM
On replay of that episode, I've noticed that Olenna seems to have removed a crystal from Sansa's necklace, which was given to her by Dontos Hollard, the same guy who pulls Sansa from the wedding after the assassination to lead her to littlefingers. During the wedding, Olenna was sitting close to Joffrey and could have easily dropped the crystal (poison) into the wine glass. But I don't know what Olenna would gain from this, since her daughter was marrying the king. Oh the web we weave!

Good spot. I didn't notice that but IMO it proves that it was Baelish and Olena working together because Baelish reveals that he gave the necklace to Dontos to give to Sansa.

As to the motive, Olena was very interested to find out what Joffrey was like. Upon finding out he was a monster torturing Sansa, she would have expected him to be as cruel to Margaery so.... Kill him off and set up a marriage to the (hopefully) less crazy younger brother. The two houses still need to merge their power no?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: wolf39us on April 26, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
Okay so before I read too much into this thread, I want to make sure that anyone here that has read the GoT books to make sure to put spoilers in spoiler tags.

I, among probably most of you, have been watching the television series and will as a result always be behind the books.

The spoiler function is there.. USE IT.

Thanks :-)
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Post by: josephpalazzo on April 26, 2014, 09:38:17 AM
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Post by: Notthesun on April 28, 2014, 01:18:46 AM
TODAY'S EPISODE: Well watching the show you have to pay attention to things happening. Dontos gives her a necklace. Olenna grabs the necklace, says something about killing a man on his wedding day, only a monster would do that. Gem on the necklace goes missing. Olenna sits really close to Joff. The cup is next to her before it is grabbed to give to Joff. As soon as he dies Sansa is taken. She is taken to Littlefinger. She is gone away. It all happens so smoothly. It has to be littlefinger and lady olenna. It was.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 28, 2014, 03:36:36 AM
I like the Tyrells that much more after this episode. They were in my top favourite characters, now they may be my top.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on April 28, 2014, 08:14:56 AM
Best scene so far: Brienne leaving Jaime.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on April 28, 2014, 08:33:18 AM
What was odd was Cersei and Jaime as if that rape, or was it forced sex that became consentual, scene never happened. Go figure.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on April 30, 2014, 09:54:16 PM
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Post by: josephpalazzo on May 01, 2014, 02:10:20 PM
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I haven't read the book, but I would guess that this is how the WW can increase its population.
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Post by: Notthesun on May 01, 2014, 05:28:11 PM
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It wasn't in the book exactly. If my memory serves me correctly, it was said by a wildling. She said it is rumored that that is what they do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on May 03, 2014, 07:19:20 PM
Game of Thrones Season 4: Episode #5 Preview (HBO) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrTeAdH3iXs)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on May 05, 2014, 05:49:40 PM
After episode 5, one wonders where Lady Arryn and Sansa Stark fit into Littlefinger's plan.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on May 05, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
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"I bet that Bravosii's hair was as greasy as Joffrey's cunt."
The Hound

The Hound is now officially my favorite character.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on May 05, 2014, 09:59:00 PM
After episode 5, one wonders where Lady Arryn and Sansa Stark fit into Littlefinger's plan.

I distinctly remember Varys saying that Littefinger was the most dangerous man in Westeros. After the big reveal that:
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it certainly looks like Littlefinger is pulling quite a few strings.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 10:42:05 PM
Remember that Littlefinger had a major thing for Catelyn and Sansa is the spitting image of her mother. And yeah, he is a string puller.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: jannugimes on May 06, 2014, 10:17:21 AM
I am going to watch this every Monday night to forget about the fact that people actually do love this malarkey...Pray he is not right when he says that the author will eventually eat himself to death and you are left with no conclusion in this endless story.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on May 06, 2014, 10:29:52 AM
Remember that Littlefinger had a major thing for Catelyn and Sansa is the spitting image of her mother. And yeah, he is a string puller.

I can see Littlefinger playing the corrupting factor in any given system, in this case the seven kingdoms perpetually at war,  but how does that play out in the greater arc - the WW about to march South, or an invading queen with magical dragons claiming back her throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on May 06, 2014, 11:11:44 AM
Yeah, but trust me- no matter what your presumptions are about the plot, at unexpected points you will be going WTF? The end of the last book is a serious WTF? I hate G R R Martin. That fucker has left me hanging for 2 years. Think Red Wedding and you get what I mean.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on May 10, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Game of Thrones Season 4: Episode #6 Preview

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Post by: josephpalazzo on May 12, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
So I guess that Bronn will fight for Tyrion, but who will be his opponent?  Oberyn??
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Post by: stromboli on May 12, 2014, 03:35:31 PM
So I guess that Bronn will fight for Tyrion, but who will be his opponent?  Oberyn??

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I had thought that maybe Tyrion might ask Jaime to fight for him, putting Tywin in a bind: if Jaime'd lose, the Lanisters would lose two sons. But I don't think so. Jaime would not go along with that devious plan. Tho, Tyrion is smart enough to think about that. The only thing I can think of, looking at the bigger arc, that Tyrion will survive, is that Bronn can defeat just about anyone the court would select. But then again, who does the selection? Tywin, unanimous approval of all three judges? Cersei?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on May 12, 2014, 05:23:44 PM
I'm disappointed with Shae. Granted someone put her up to rant and lie. Still, she was in love with Tyrion. Whatever happened to pure love? GRRR Martin needs to talk to the folks at Harlequin.
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Post by: stromboli on May 12, 2014, 06:08:08 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 16, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
Okay, I'm just now caught up and season 4 has been amazing so far.

Daenerys's capture of Mereen was masterful.  Get it?  Haha.

Stannis is finally back in business!  HAIL STANNIS!

I like the Tyrells more with each episode.  My only surprise is that Margery was surprised by Olenna's wedding gift to her.

Tywinn is king in all but title.  The whole court is in his pocket.  His speech to Tommen was great but entirely self-serving.  Wisdom, indeed.

Littlefinger is more conniving and deadlier than ever.  Varys's speech to Oberyon shows a stark contrast between him and Littlefinger.

Oberyon is a welcome addition to the cast.  A bicurious bon vivant.  Quite the juxtaposition between him and Lord Varys, though I suppose they are both very patient about settling old scores.

And to top it all off, there's a scene with Brann that was actually pretty damn awesome!  I think I'm finally emotionally invested in their weird little journey to the magic tree.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on May 16, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
I've mentioned it here before, but the job of casting has been incredible. The only gripe I have is with Arya because in the book she is younger, and I think it would suit the character better. Sansa, The Mountain, The Hound, Oberyn, Tyrion, Joffrey, Littlefinger, Varys- all are as dead on as I could imagine. I've been disappointed too many times by books made into movies, but this is a great job overall. Couldn't ask for better.

 Peter Dinklage is a revelation. The trial scene where Shae walks in and after ranks among the best acting I've seen. He really does flesh out the character completely.

But if you haven't read the books, be warned- WTF is coming. Don't even try to guess what happens next, because you will be wrong. 
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 16, 2014, 12:59:55 PM
Well, there have been a couple casting hiccups:

Ilyn Paine was retired in the show due to the actor's cancer but I've been told that he has more of a presence in the books.

And either my memory fails me, or Daario looks a bit different.  The Second Son is more like second pick.

But other than that, fantastic.

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But if you haven't read the books, be warned- WTF is coming. Don't even try to guess what happens next, because you will be wrong.
A man can guess.  But I'm fairly sure I know who goes to the Red God next.  *wink wink*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on May 16, 2014, 01:16:17 PM
Season 4 Episode 7, trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygU32GP5Jgs

Who's the the big motherfucker?!??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 16, 2014, 01:28:18 PM
Who's the the big motherfucker?!??
Gregor Clegane (aka The Mountain), iirc.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on May 16, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
Don't recall see him in the other seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on May 16, 2014, 08:52:50 PM
JP, you are above me in every respect. Smarter than me, more knowledgeable in many areas and so forth. But the mere fact I know shit you don't about Game of Thrones makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.  :biggrin:

You will meet the Mountain before long.
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Post by: Shiranu on May 16, 2014, 09:08:19 PM
Don't recall see him in the other seasons.

He was the guy in the huge dark iron suit.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 16, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
Don't recall see him in the other seasons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcnFPp2mFoc

The guy in the black armor and the yellow shield with a dog on it.  A bit of a sore loser, heh.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on May 17, 2014, 06:46:46 AM
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The guy in the black armor and the yellow shield with a dog on it.  A bit of a sore loser, heh.

Ha, no wonder I couldn't recognize him with all of his clothes on! Thanks.
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Post by: Green Bottle on May 19, 2014, 11:53:17 AM
Iv'e only seen series 1 so far not having Sky as i do but anyway, i thot it was excellent an ill catch up with it in time , but iv'e read all the books apart from ''The Winds Of Winter '' which i found out recently wont be out until October , looking forward to reading it and  seeing how it all ends...................i will drop into this thread now n again  for a wee nosey tho... :mrgreen:
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Post by: josephpalazzo on May 19, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
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Thanks for the info. I haven't read the books, so I'm going by what's on the small screen. It seems like the TV series might be presenting the story slightly differently. I think the producers would need to do that in order to perk up some interest. And it seems to me like they want to make it look like nothing just happens by coincidence - Ned Stark's assasination, the red wedding, the purple wedding, Lysa's execution, for instance, all of which alude to some sinister plan behind those events, but viewed against the bigger arcs - the gathering storms both in the North and Esteros - making those scheming plans kind of petty and, at the same time, a moral lesson in lost opportunities. 
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Post by: Shiranu on May 19, 2014, 02:26:41 PM
A. That's who I figured the champion would be.

B. That ending tho.
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Post by: stromboli on May 19, 2014, 03:47:29 PM
Yeah, my problem is I read the books awhile ago and don't still have them for reference. So I'll detain from "guess" comments from now on.
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Post by: Berati on May 19, 2014, 08:19:27 PM
Thanks for the info. I haven't read the books, so I'm going by what's on the small screen. It seems like the TV series might be presenting the story slightly differently. I think the producers would need to do that in order to perk up some interest. And it seems to me like they want to make it look like nothing just happens by coincidence - Ned Stark's assasination, the red wedding, the purple wedding, Lysa's execution, for instance, all of which alude to some sinister plan behind those events, but viewed against the bigger arcs - the gathering storms both in the North and Esteros - making those scheming plans kind of petty and, at the same time, a moral lesson in lost opportunities.
While the TV series is presenting the story slightly differently they are staying remarkably close to the actual main story points AND they are doing it with remarkable artistry.

I found last nights show to be one of the best.
The performances were amazing. Oberyn's speech to Tyrion was crazy good. Watching Dinklages performance as he hears the heartbreaking story of Cerseis cruelty to him as a baby was Emmy worthy as was the speech itself.
I felt the same way about the hound and Arya as well as the performance by Littlefinger. The show is doing a fantastic job of a book that I thought would be near unfilmable  because the book relies so much on backstory and follows so many characters simultaneously.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 19, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Just saw the latest one.

I don't know why the Hound can't simply cauterize the wound with hot iron.  Fire applied directly to would would seem to be a bad idea (and he would know what fire does to flesh more than most), but then again, so is a hot iron.

I was definitely wrong in my pick for champion.  Seems like Tyrion got more of a lover than a fighter, though.  Given the brutally cynical tone of the series so far, I don't think that'll play out very well.

Baelish was masterful as always, though explaining that scene to Robin might be a little awkward...

Daenerys really bored me this time around.  Her army is losing steam fast.  And Daario is practically more hateable than Joffrey.

The scene with the Red Woman was really fascinating.  How much of her powers are genuine and how much is trickery?  When Stannis saw into the fire, did he really see the future?
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Post by: Shiranu on May 19, 2014, 10:09:27 PM
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Seems like Tyrion got more of a lover than a fighter, though.

Just incase someone hasn't seen the newest episode...

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Post by: Berati on May 20, 2014, 08:51:32 AM
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I was definitely wrong in my pick for champion.  Seems like Tyrion got more of a lover than a fighter, though.

If you recall when he was first introduced Tyrion says he is a highly accomplished warrior. This point is driven home when he confronts the Lanister men by himself and doesn't show an ounce of fear even though he is outnumbered by men who are also trained in combat.
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Post by: stromboli on May 20, 2014, 09:23:58 AM
Yeah, but as I've said here many times, prepare to be surprised. G R R Martin seriously likes to mess with your head. The last book in print ends with a WTF? with what anyone would say is a major character possibly being murdered. I was so mad at the ending I literally threw the book down.

"The Winds of Winter" and "Breath of Spring" are both going to be huge books, something like 1500 pages each. The next one is not due until 2015. I will probably drop dead after reading the last book- I'll be like 70 or so when it is published.  :sad2:

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Post by: josephpalazzo on May 20, 2014, 10:02:59 AM
Yeah, but as I've said here many times, prepare to be surprised. G R R Martin seriously likes to mess with your head. The last book in print ends with a WTF? with what anyone would say is a major character possibly being murdered. I was so mad at the ending I literally threw the book down.


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"The Winds of Winter" and "Breath of Spring" are both going to be huge books, something like 1500 pages each. The next one is not due until 2015. I will probably drop dead after reading the last book- I'll be like 70 or so when it is published.  :sad2:


Lighten up. Most people expect to live beyond the 80's. So you'll have plenty of time to catch up on your readings.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2014, 10:40:15 AM
"The Winds of Winter" and "Breath of Spring" are both going to be huge books, something like 1500 pages each.
Sweet merciful R'hllor.  I'm glad I went with the ebooks.  I'd be bent over like Pycelle trying to read those tomes.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
If you recall when he was first introduced Tyrion says he is a highly accomplished warrior. This point is driven home when he confronts the Lanister men by himself and doesn't show an ounce of fear even though he is outnumbered by men who are also trained in combat.
True.  He interrupted two Lannisters sans armor at a brothel and stabbed one before he could draw his sword.  That's impressive, but a far different situation than dueling or war.  His status as a warrior is more of an informed ability than a manifest one, and most of his screentime is for speeches, brothels, and poems.  So it's understandable that one could think him less of a warrior than someone who spends almost all his screentime hewing through people like butter.
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Post by: PickelledEggs on May 20, 2014, 08:24:22 PM
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Post by: Berati on May 22, 2014, 08:58:54 PM
The mountain isn't such a bad guy. He's got Cersei laughing

(http://www.zonanerd.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/nova-mountain.jpg)
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Post by: Shiranu on May 22, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
The mountain isn't such a bad guy. He's got Cersei laughing

(http://www.zonanerd.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/nova-mountain.jpg)

God, he is huge.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on May 23, 2014, 09:31:24 AM
Game of Thrones Season 4: Episode #8 Preview (HBO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCpWf_ybG3Y

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Post by: Agramon on June 02, 2014, 03:17:00 AM
Just one thought:

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Post by: stromboli on June 02, 2014, 08:49:12 AM
Yes, but wait until next episode.......  :axe:
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Post by: the_antithesis on June 02, 2014, 12:38:23 PM
Why do I still read the title as "Game of Thorns?"
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Post by: stromboli on June 02, 2014, 12:50:18 PM
Why do I still read the title as "Game of Thorns?"

Dyslexic much?
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Post by: PopeyesPappy on June 02, 2014, 01:12:27 PM
God, he is huge.

6'9" 419 lbs. according to his Wiki page.
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Post by: the_antithesis on June 02, 2014, 01:13:23 PM
Dyslexic much?

I don't think I have dysentery.
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 02, 2014, 01:42:04 PM
Why do I still read the title as "Game of Thorns?"

Because the Tyrells are "Growing strong".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 02, 2014, 03:46:48 PM
I don't think I have dysentery.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2014, 04:00:09 PM
Spoilers that go past this episode. Be warned.

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On that note; Damn, I have always loved Littlefinger and FINALLY Sansa, FINALLY you do something! I hope to see more of that!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 02, 2014, 05:48:07 PM
 :wtff:

with Tyrion and beetle talk?!??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 02, 2014, 05:52:56 PM
:wtff:

with Tyrion and beetle talk?!??

This will enlighten you somewhat. The show has diverged a bit from the book, but creatively.
http://www.wired.com/2014/06/game-of-thrones-recap-8/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on June 02, 2014, 07:05:31 PM
:wtff:

with Tyrion and beetle talk?!??

I think it's all about senseless violence. In following this story I'm always impressed with how the writer doesn't give in to the "good guy" bad guy" trope.
Instead he shows how everyone deals with the senselessly violent world they find themselves in.

Tyrion was trying to figure it out but there appears to be no answer. Just do what you have to do to survive.

From season two.
Quote
The Hound to Sansa
"Stannis is a killer. The Lannisters are killers. Your father was a killer. Your brother is a killer. Your sons will be killers someday. The world is built by killers... so you better get used to looking at them."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 03, 2014, 12:48:06 AM
Still one episode to go......

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on June 03, 2014, 08:42:27 AM
So who do you think outed Mormont as a spy?
I thought Varis because he is the only one I know of who knows Mormont was a spy, but why would he out his own spy?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 03, 2014, 09:15:50 AM
This will enlighten you somewhat. The show has diverged a bit from the book, but creatively.
http://www.wired.com/2014/06/game-of-thrones-recap-8/


Thanks for the link.

When I saw the episode, it seemed to me it was out of character for Tyrion. In the TV series, Tyrion is presented as the smart guy, the philosopher, the historian, the avid reader who has come to understand the "game", which often came through in his dialogues with everyone, especially during his short time with Sansa.  In that context, I thought that he would have understood the implication behind their cousin needlessly killing of those insects. Instead it's Jaime who has to enlighten Tyrion. Anyways, that scene simply seemed out of kilt with everything that had happened in the story in so far with Tyrion's character.



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 03, 2014, 09:20:18 AM
I think it's all about senseless violence. In following this story I'm always impressed with how the writer doesn't give in to the "good guy" bad guy" trope.
Instead he shows how everyone deals with the senselessly violent world they find themselves in.

Tyrion was trying to figure it out but there appears to be no answer. Just do what you have to do to survive.

From season two.

Yeah, that I got it but as I explained to Stromboli, it's the fact that it turned out that it was Jaime who had to enlighten Tyrion in that jail conversation that seems to me out of character. Tyrion should have figured that one, way before his brother.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on June 03, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Yeah, that I got it but as I explained to Stromboli, it's the fact that it turned out that it was Jaime who had to enlighten Tyrion in that jail conversation that seems to me out of character. Tyrion should have figured that one, way before his brother.

I see what you mean.
I think that Tyrion being so smart and always figuring stuff out, was trying like crazy to find a reason when there really isn't one. Just smash them beetles.


Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 03, 2014, 02:19:48 PM
I see what you mean.
I think that Tyrion being so smart and always figuring stuff out, was trying like crazy to find a reason when there really isn't one. Just smash them beetles.


I kind of agree with JP. The whole sequence was out of sync with the rest. And Orson? WTF?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 03, 2014, 03:07:30 PM
And Orson? WTF?

It's one of those things I'm not used to and GoT does a lot - talk about characters we've never met. The other thing is: introduce a new character, get the audience to like him/her. Then sooner than later get him/her killed. :doh:

As far as Orson is concerned: all I get is that he was brain-damaged and had a happy face whenever he would crush one of those beetles. Is that supposed to be a metaphor for life? Or does it mean that the gods of Westeros are happy when the Mountain crushed the Viper?? OTOH  Tywin didn't seem to be happy to condemn Tyrion to death, but then again Tywin has a plan, he doesn't do things just to get a happy face. Will his plan prevail? Taking from what the series seems to offer, the answer would be a resounding no. :madu:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2014, 02:37:38 AM
Just caught up.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on June 04, 2014, 06:34:58 AM
I don't think this was outside of Tyrion's character. Tyrion is quite the intelligent individual and, like many, needs reasons for why someone does things. It's not out of character simply because Jaime gets there first. That's bad reasoning, Joseph. You forget that Jaime is extremely intelligent as well. He isn't some moron.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 04, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
I don't think this was outside of Tyrion's character. Tyrion is quite the intelligent individual and, like many, needs reasons for why someone does things. It's not out of character simply because Jaime gets there first. That's bad reasoning, Joseph. You forget that Jaime is extremely intelligent as well. He isn't some moron.

Yeah, you're probably right. Jaime is underestimated. Foremost, he's a survivor. But he has also shown to have picked up a pearl or two of wisdom  along the way . I'm still counting on him to help Tyrion, and I don't see his relationship to Cersei, which isn't going so well, prevent him from doing such a dangerous gamble.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on June 04, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
Yeah, you're probably right. Jaime is underestimated. Foremost, he's a survivor. But he has also shown to have picked up a pearl or two of wisdom  along the way . I'm still counting on him to help Tyrion, and I don't see his relationship to Cersei, which isn't going so well, prevent him from doing such a dangerous gamble.

Jamie is a great example of how non black and white the characters are.
He starts off banging his sister and throwing a kid out of a window and now he's sorta likeable??

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 04, 2014, 06:00:48 PM
Don't focus on just what you see as the main characters in the game. There are many side players that manipulate and make moves of their own. Littlefinger is stuck in his aerie for now, but other people take advantage of situations that arise. Don't count anyone out until they are dead and buried.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2014, 06:15:01 PM
Jamie is a great example of how non black and white the characters are.
He starts off banging his sister and throwing a kid out of a window and now he's sorta likeable??
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2014, 06:16:55 PM
Don't focus on just what you see as the main characters in the game. There are many side players that manipulate and make moves of their own. Littlefinger is stuck in his aerie for now, but other people take advantage of situations that arise. Don't count anyone out until they are dead and buried.
While Littlefinger is preoccupied, Varys has had free reign at court.  It'll be interesting to see what schemes he hatches next.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on June 05, 2014, 02:12:32 AM
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What are you talking about? lol
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2014, 03:26:25 AM
What are you talking about? lol
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[spoiler](http://25.media.tumblr.com/8386cf86700eb54d731b87bb02fbed9c/tumblr_mkxm70HL6m1r5c64eo1_500.gif)

TIL rape isn't rape (dafuq) and that using one's executive powers to throw people in jail/banish them is okay if they're pieces of shit and/or you're a compassionate guy who has done good things (http://i.imgur.com/vrroVDu.jpg).

Also, in Storm of Swords it's pretty clear that Lancel would've certainly been killed had his little secret gotten out.  And he didn't personally do anything to the Imp except demand a prisoner's release.  So yeah, a pretty machiavellian move on the Imp's part.

I understand that Tyrion had the best of intentions, but he definitely threw his weight around as Hand.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 06, 2014, 03:36:28 PM
Seaso 4, epi 9, trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7zzphqUWmw
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 06, 2014, 04:20:13 PM
Don't miss the last episode. Shits going DOWN.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 07, 2014, 08:37:31 AM
Don't miss the last episode. Shits going DOWN.

I supposed that this is coded words for another favorite is going to die... :wall:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 07, 2014, 08:39:58 AM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2014, 10:32:18 AM
I personally don't think I can handle another one biting the dust.  *curls into fetal position*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 09, 2014, 09:23:51 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Berati on June 09, 2014, 01:12:58 PM
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A question on spoilers.
Do we need to use the spoiler function to discuss an episode that has already aired?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 09, 2014, 03:45:07 PM
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A question on spoilers.
Do we need to use the spoiler function to discuss an episode that has already aired?

I would give a day after the showing, just in case someone hasn't seen it yet. But after that time lapse, I don't think we need spoilers. MHO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2014, 01:36:30 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2014, 01:53:36 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 10, 2014, 02:26:26 AM
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I did.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: wolf39us on June 10, 2014, 11:31:20 AM
Yeah give it a day or two... Don't come on here an hour after airing without using spoilers lol.

I personally have an automatic downloader and don't usually see the episode until the next day

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
Personally, I don't touch this thread till I'm all caught up and I encourage others to do the same.  IMHO, the only thing that I think should absolutely be spoiled are portions of the books that haven't been covered by the TV show yet.  By the time I'm all caught up with the books, it'd be by the 50th anniversary of the last season of GoT.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on June 10, 2014, 09:48:46 PM
If you haven't seen the new episode, don't click on the link. There should be no such thing as a spoiler for the show. It's that simple.

As far as the book goes, just leave info about it out of here or spoiler it by putting "Spoilers from books"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 11, 2014, 12:06:49 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 13, 2014, 11:30:20 AM
Season 4, episode 10, season finale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2936642635&feature=iv&src_vid=CtA1NIphSbo&v=dRa9L0hb-2U
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 04:18:50 AM
I never really watch the episodes. I read the books, though and enjoy them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 14, 2014, 12:28:28 PM
I never really watch the episodes. I read the books, though and enjoy them.
Infidel!  :razz:

I'm trying to do both right now, not so much out of a love of reading as it is the need for a steady GoT fix.  I like the attention to detail (maybe a bit too much detail) in the books, you see more of characters' thoughts, but there's really something to be said for seeing it all come to life.  Definitely earns its tv spot, imho.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 15, 2014, 01:49:24 AM
LOL XD

(http://i.imgur.com/GLQrj5y.jpg)

source: http://i.imgur.com/GLQrj5y.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/GLQrj5y.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 15, 2014, 02:40:48 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 15, 2014, 06:59:25 AM
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LOL
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on June 15, 2014, 08:39:50 PM
Today's season finale is perfect for Fathers' day! <3
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 15, 2014, 11:52:28 PM
Having a very hard time finding a (totally legal, HBO-approved) stream of it that works :(. Maybe tomorrow a (totally legal, HBO-approved) stream will be up...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 16, 2014, 08:59:37 AM
Braavos here we come.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 17, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
Having a very hard time finding a (totally legal, HBO-approved) stream of it that works :(. Maybe tomorrow a (totally legal, HBO-approved) stream will be up...
A man might try the sea.  All water streams into the sea.  (A man is not sure if he hears correctly or writes correctly, but... valun derēptis)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 17, 2014, 12:14:58 AM
Aye, I found one on my sails across the webs.

Gods, but that last episode made me feel good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 17, 2014, 12:41:43 PM
Has it been long enough to talk about the latest episode?  I think it's been long enough.  So, without further ado, S4E10 spoilers:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 22, 2014, 02:39:05 AM
My new desktop:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 22, 2014, 02:58:39 AM
Oh god, I love it :D.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on June 22, 2014, 04:10:34 AM
NEW RULE: If you are not up to date with the show, DO NOT CLICK ON THIS PAGE.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 22, 2014, 04:49:21 AM
So, I've read a very convincing article that (barring a near miracle) the show will finish the series before the 7th (final) book comes out.

Apparently, Maritn has told the producers the general story arc and how it all ends, and they are prepared to do that.  They say they are looking at a total of 7 season, 8 at the most, and we've seen 4 now.  Optimistically, if Martin Releases book 6 early in 2015, then they would be doing season 5 that year.  That give him only 2 years, 3 tops, to write and publish the 7th and final book.  considering his recent writing pace, that isn't super likely to happen.

So....be prepared for the show to finish the story for you.  I'm a little worried that if this happens, or appears to be headed that way, Martin might give up on even writing the final book, and we'll have 6 books, with the 7th one being a tv show....

Pros and cons.  At least someone will finish the story. he won't die with it unfinished.  I've already been through this with Robert Jordan.  Sanderson finished the series, so I felt the satisfaction of knowing how it ended, but was not really happy with it all.  Having someone else finish the work you are used to, with their own touches, twists and spins, is rough.

All the same, I think the TV show is doing justice to the overall story and characters, so if they finish it first, at least it won't suck (I hope).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: josephpalazzo on June 22, 2014, 10:57:29 AM
^^^

I can empathize with your dilemma, but do not sympathize as I will never, never, ever read the books.  :wink2:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 22, 2014, 11:56:35 AM
So, I've read a very convincing article that (barring a near miracle) the show will finish the series before the 7th (final) book comes out.

Apparently, Maritn has told the producers the general story arc and how it all ends, and they are prepared to do that.  They say they are looking at a total of 7 season, 8 at the most, and we've seen 4 now.  Optimistically, if Martin Releases book 6 early in 2015, then they would be doing season 5 that year.  That give him only 2 years, 3 tops, to write and publish the 7th and final book.  considering his recent writing pace, that isn't super likely to happen.

So....be prepared for the show to finish the story for you.
Is it possible that the TV show will "end" and then get one more season after the release of the last book?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 22, 2014, 03:07:57 PM
There have been some minor changes in the series versus the book- the most glaring one at the end of this season is the lack of Lady Stoneheart
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-why-no-lady-stoneheart/

One of Martin's little surprises at the end of the book, per usual. I don't have a problem with it per se, because carrying forward there is not much of a story arc there in any case.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pioteir on June 23, 2014, 04:55:19 PM
Braavos here we come.

About fuckin time!!!!!! GO ARYA!!! Valar Morghulis goddamit
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 23, 2014, 05:30:21 PM
There have been some minor changes in the series versus the book- the most glaring one at the end of this season is the lack of Lady Stoneheart
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-why-no-lady-stoneheart/

One of Martin's little surprises at the end of the book, per usual. I don't have a problem with it per se, because carrying forward there is not much of a story arc there in any case.
It's also entirely possible they are saving that for the beginning of next season (ALA Jeoff's death).  They aren't following the books in strict order.  Of course they might also just leave it out entirely, as they have made more and more changes as time goes along, but all those changes have been with Martin's blessing, or at least his OK.  But we don't actually KNOW if there is a story arc there. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: stromboli on June 23, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
It's also entirely possible they are saving that for the beginning of next season (ALA Jeoff's death).  They aren't following the books in strict order.  Of course they might also just leave it out entirely, as they have made more and more changes as time goes along, but all those changes have been with Martin's blessing, or at least his OK.  But we don't actually KNOW if there is a story arc there. 

True. Lady Stoneheart as seen in the books represents very little narrative and doesn't indicate much of a following story line, so it may not be important enough to be included in the timeframe of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 23, 2014, 05:46:47 PM
True. Lady Stoneheart as seen in the books represents very little narrative and doesn't indicate much of a following story line, so it may not be important enough to be included in the timeframe of the show.
Sorry, my keyboard locked up and I had to restart.

I was going to say that we don't know the importance or lack-there-of of Lady Stoneheart's character.  She hasn't done much yet that we know of, but there are 2 books and 3 seasons at least to go.  I think there is a possibility, at least, of her arc becoming more important. 
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Anyway, next season will be very interesting weather they include her or not. I'm not bent when they make story changes, mostly they have been for the better (Thank you for NOT giving us a drawn out Sansa Story this season!!!), and stay on the theme of the books, and the main characters.

I hate having to wait another year for the next season. Grrr. :(  And probably longer for the next book, still.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Notthesun on June 24, 2014, 01:51:29 AM
She will most likely be at the end of the next season's opening episode. It's the last huge thing that happens. The next season requires it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 26, 2014, 03:36:51 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shol'va on June 26, 2014, 06:22:23 PM
From a strategic standpoint, I would absolutely allow the wildlings to cross the wall. If they don't, they'll be crushed by the white walkers, and the dead would only swell their ranks. But on the flip side, then you'd have a bunch of displaced tribes on your lands, which spells trouble.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 26, 2014, 07:19:47 PM
It's conceivable that they could cohabitate through one hell of an alliance, but there are some pretty stark cultural and political differences that couldn't be smoothed over easily if at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 27, 2014, 12:56:43 PM
Personally, I don't see the appeal in Game of Thrones. Although I'd probably watch it if this particular crossover happened:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 27, 2014, 01:29:52 PM
How can you NOT like Game of Thrones?  It has Everything!  Fencing, fighting, torture, giants, true love...(and bewbs!). See?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFOXCfoKO1k
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 27, 2014, 01:44:39 PM
Also, just because, I have to share my favorite GoT video (made me fall out of my chair laughing).

Only covers through season 3, so no spoilers if you've watched that far, and no book spoilers.  But maybe NSFW....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 27, 2014, 04:53:20 PM
How can you NOT like Game of Thrones?  It has Everything!  Fencing, fighting, torture, giants, true love...(and bewbs!).
So it's a sub-par shounen anime realized in live action. *yawn*

Give me something where the characters at least have creative designs! (Be sure and turn on the subtitles.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtfq-807OnA
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on June 27, 2014, 05:02:16 PM
Doesn't... like... GoT...

Does not compute.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 27, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
Doesn't... like... GoT...

Does not compute.
I will not bow down to your conformist ways! :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shol'va on June 27, 2014, 08:05:32 PM
Have you watched any of the episodes? Give it a try. Don't let it turn you off just because so many people talk about it. It's for a reason and this time it ain't because it's "teen pop culture". The production quality is just about as high as it can be and the theme etc just great. Try not to get too attached to characters, they have a tendency to, well, get killed off.
In some ironic sense, the show and books are good BECAUSE the writer said the same thing you just did to conformity.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 27, 2014, 09:11:59 PM

Have you watched any of the episodes? Give it a try. Don't let it turn you off just because so many people talk about it. It's for a reason and this time it ain't because it's "teen pop culture". The production quality is just about as high as it can be and the theme etc just great. Try not to get too attached to characters, they have a tendency to, well, get killed off.
In some ironic sense, the show and books are good BECAUSE the writer said the same thing you just did to conformity.
Of course I've seen a few episodes here and there, it's unavoidable if you have a social life. And as I said, I don't see the appeal.



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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Aroura33 on June 27, 2014, 09:22:02 PM
So it's a sub-par shounen anime realized in live action. *yawn*


I did 20 minutes of research, not just reading the Wikipedia page on it, to find out what shounen anime is, and GoT is soooo not even anything remotely like that. Just because it has bewbs does not put it in this category. Nor is it action driven. It is 90% a political and personal drama. It continues to be mostly a political and personal drama, it just takes place in a very barbaric and gritty world time/place. Action and bewbs are actually pretty few and far between.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 27, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
It is 90% a political and personal drama.
Bingo.  I've heard it described as a fantasy drama, and I've gotta say, that's a fairly accurate summation.  But I really like TV Tropes' laconic description of it:  "HBO series about intrigue, war, and ancient evil threatening a medieval fantasy world. "

And one of the awesome things about it is that there is such an abundance of characters that you're practically guaranteed to really empathize with and care about at least one of them.  And then you're hooked.  At least until that person dies.  :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 28, 2014, 03:07:25 AM
I did 20 minutes of research, not just reading the Wikipedia page on it, to find out what shounen anime is, and GoT is soooo not even anything remotely like that. Just because it has bewbs does not put it in this category. Nor is it action driven. It is 90% a political and personal drama. It continues to be mostly a political and personal drama, it just takes place in a very barbaric and gritty world time/place. Action and bewbs are actually pretty few and far between.
I was being facetious. As I said earlier, I have seen the show a few times, and I don't care for it. I don't know what else to say, I find it boring and stupid compared to other shows I've seen. =/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 28, 2014, 03:34:30 AM
I've never watched game of thrones... And I don't really feel like it. 


Just saying.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 28, 2014, 03:40:24 AM
GoT thread populated by people who don't like GoT.

(http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cersei-wine-game-of-thrones.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 28, 2014, 03:55:53 AM
GoT thread populated by people who don't like GoT.

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I don't dislike GoT, I just tend to have a hard time getting in to a long series like that. Same thing with breaking bad and a few others. I believe you that its good.

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Post by: Hydra009 on April 12, 2015, 01:34:47 PM
GoT returns tonight!  Damn, it's been a while!

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Apparently, a few of the new episodes have been leaked already. :(  If you come across them, please keep it to yourself.  The One True God and One True King command it.

Season 5 and books should still be spoiled, but previous seasons of the show no longer need to be spoiled.

Also, there's a bunch of really fascinating but crazy fan theory videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXU7XVK_2Wd6tAHYO8g9vAA/videos).  Apparently, there are lots of secret plots and alliances going on behind the scenes so subtlety hinted at that they're extremely easy to miss.  Check it out if and only if you're up to date on the books.
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Post by: Aroura33 on April 12, 2015, 03:11:52 PM
Hey, what happens if the TV series finishes the books before Martin does?  It's not only possible, it looks probably right now. 

I'll be back after watching the episode tonight.  So excited!!!!!
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2015, 02:14:04 AM
Hey, what happens if the TV series finishes the books before Martin does?  It's not only possible, it looks probably right now. 

I'll be back after watching the episode tonight.  So excited!!!!!
They have an end planned.  Maybe not the end, but an end.  They may have to reunite a few years later for one final season.  It's atypical, but not unheard of.
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2015, 03:05:18 AM
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Post by: Shiranu on April 13, 2015, 04:02:45 AM
All I care about this season is seeing Dorne, especially as they will be adding much that isn't in the books. And possibly flashbacks including more Oberyn. Oh god, yes...
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2015, 04:23:01 AM
I too would love to see Dorne.  It sounds downright idyllic compared to the rest of Westeroes.  Not just in its natural beauty (lemon trees!), but also the people seem more egalitarian, less sexist, and just overall more civilized.
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Post by: Deidre32 on April 13, 2015, 12:38:16 PM
Saw my very first episode of this, last night! I'm totally lost, I'm wondering if I should go back to view last season, or all of them to really gain a better perspective. I thought the acting was excellent and it seems very well done. Interested in continuing, but...like I said, I'm a wee bit lost. ^_^
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Post by: Aroura33 on April 13, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
Saw my very first episode of this, last night! I'm totally lost, I'm wondering if I should go back to view last season, or all of them to really gain a better perspective. I thought the acting was excellent and it seems very well done. Interested in continuing, but...like I said, I'm a wee bit lost. ^_^
Oh yeah, this series isn't something you can stat watching in the middle.  It's a continuous story with so many plots going on at once, it can be confusing even if you do watch every episode in order. 

But I suggest you try and find season one and start there.  It's totally worth it!!! Or if you are a reader....you can catch up by reading the books, too!
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Post by: Desdinova on April 13, 2015, 02:32:22 PM
Hey, what happens if the TV series finishes the books before Martin does?  It's not only possible, it looks probably right now. 

I'll be back after watching the episode tonight.  So excited!!!!!

I think the books and the TV series will split off into two separate stories.  The end will be the same, generally, but the subplots will not. 
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Post by: Jason78 on April 14, 2015, 01:05:55 PM
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Post by: Green Bottle on April 15, 2015, 04:33:26 PM
I've been waiting for ''The Winds of Winter for ages , i wish they'd hurry up. Anyhow, series 5 starting to warm up now but i wont spoil it for any of you, the 1st 4 episodes of the new series can be seen  here.....
http://m.movietube.co/tv.htm?sort=score
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 16, 2015, 04:11:41 PM
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2015, 01:05:11 PM
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Post by: Aroura33 on April 22, 2015, 01:24:33 PM
Yes, this episode threw me for a loop too, as it departed from the books completely in places.  When the episode finished, I looked at my husband and said "Don't ask me what's going on anymore, it looks like we are both in the same boat now".

I do appreciate how the show is editing/changing book storylines though, while maintaining the best characters, not overwhelming us with too many unnecessary ones, and trimming plot lines that basically meander for the next two books (well one, since the last 2 books were divided by character and not chronologically.).
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I realize the show is taking a different path, but if we get to the end before Martin finishes the books, I doubt I'll finish the books.  Maybe.  This isn't a normal situation.  For one thing, I think the show has actually surpassed the books in awesomeness now.  It seems like by books 4/5 Martin had too much going on, and I started to feel less excited and more overwhelmed reading those.  I'm looking forward to how the TV series handles the rest of the plot, especially Dorn!

Oh, and good C=catch, Julian Bashere, I didn't even recognize him!  I'm a huge Trek fan too. 
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2015, 03:07:33 PM
I do appreciate how the show is editing/changing book storylines though, while maintaining the best characters, not overwhelming us with too many unnecessary ones, and trimming plot lines that basically meander for the next two books (well one, since the last 2 books were divided by character and not chronologically.).
Yeah.  The books were all over the place.  But it's unnerving how fast they're going through the source material.  Bran's all caught up, Sansa's almost caught up, and Arya is just few scenes away from being caught up.  The only people who really have much left to do are Cersei, Daenerys, Jon/Davos/Stannis, and the Ironborn.  Man, the Ironborn have a LOT of material left.  I'm actually sort of surprised we haven't seen them yet.

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I dunno, the books had their moments, too.  I <3 Victarion.  It's downright scary how close my personality is to that guy.  Aeron is cool, too.  Can't wait to see him conduct some religious ceremonies, if you get what I mean...

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It seems like by books 4/5 Martin had too much going on, and I started to feel less excited and more overwhelmed reading those.
Same.  My main gripe is neither of the last two books really seemed to go anywhere.  Tyrion mopes.  Brienne goes on a wild snark chase.  Cersei cerseies.  The previous books were defined by all these badass moments, but the fourth book has little and less of that.  It's just so moody and dull.  And yeah, way too many side characters.  Slaver's bay characters all seem to blur together.  People like Reznor zo nasdaq, or somesuch.

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Oh, and good C=catch, Julian Bashere, I didn't even recognize him!  I'm a huge Trek fan too.
Yeah, it's because I'm Trekkie.  *slides a door closed to a shrine covered with pictures of Alexander Siddig*
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Post by: Aroura33 on April 22, 2015, 04:56:45 PM
Haha, Cercie cercies, lol.  I like that as a verb or adjective, I'll have to find ways to use it. :)

I'm a Trekkie, I've even attended conventions, but I did not get into Deep Space 9 the way I did TNG. I even watched more of Voyager.  I know, DS9 is actually better (I went back and rewatched, and found some of the best characters ever, like Quark!).

Anyway, I agree it's l kind of alarming how fast they are going through the material, but that just shows how little substantial material there actually was to go through in the last 2 books. 
Yes, I'd like to see what the Ironborn are up to in the TV series.  Do you think they'll curb that story arc as well?  There is more meat in that story arc than in Tyrions recent adventures, for instance.  Maybe they are saving it to tie in somewhere else?  I expect we'll see more of Asha soon, though.

I have so many questions!  I guess they will be answered in a few months when this season is over.  I wonder if we will get to see further along Tyrion, Arya, and others that the books.  I'm very curious how they will handle Cercie's arc, as IMHO, she has one of the best in the last 2 books. What are they going to do with Gilly and Sam and Maester Aemon since they clearly aren't going where the books went with that?

Guess we all have to watch and see now. :)
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2015, 05:15:04 PM
Afaik, this season will end roughly where the 4th book ended and season 6 will end roughly where the 5th book ended.  Season 7...R'hollor willing, GRRM will have a new book by then so there'll be something to film.

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Post by: Aroura33 on April 22, 2015, 05:29:09 PM
Afaik, this season will end roughly where the 4th book ended and season 6 will end roughly where the 5th book ended.  Season 7...R'hollor willing, GRRM will have a new book by then so there'll be something to film.

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Wait wait, they can't do season 5 is book 4, and season 6 is book 5, because books 4 and 5 take place concurrently.  I mean, they end at roughly the same time period.  Book 4 DOES NOT even have Arya or Tyrion in it.  Their adventures take place in book 5, right?  Martin split up one massive book by characters.  Basically, he wrote book 4 around the Westeros Characters, and book 5 around the Bravoosi , free cities and slaver cities.

So we've already seen characters on both sides, from both books.  But maybe it will take them 2 seasons still to cover the stories taking place in both book, but I hope they do it more chronologically.  Actually, this might explain why we haven't seen the Iron Born yet.  If I'm not mistaken, the events that lead up to the big important thing there in that area really takes place near the end of this timeline, so they may end the season with that, or at least place it nearer the end of the season.
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2015, 05:41:01 PM
Wait wait, they can't do season 5 is book 4, and season 6 is book 5, because books 4 and 5 take place concurrently.
You're absolutely right.  I mean that the ending scene of book 4 would be the end of season 5.  I assume that the King's Landing plotline would resolve before the Essos and Northern plotlines.
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2015, 07:28:40 PM
A couple questions about Season 5 episode 2:

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Post by: stromboli on April 22, 2015, 07:32:44 PM
I read the books too long ago and don't remember the content well enough, so I'm just following the show as best I can. GRRM pretty much admitted he isn't going to finish the books first, and he also said the show will have differences. So whatever. I will read the next published book and continue the show.
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Post by: Aroura33 on April 22, 2015, 09:21:50 PM
Oh yeah.  Personally, I'm grateful the show exists, or else I fear Martin would leave his fans to hang forever.

And Hydra, that is a really good question. 

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Post by: Draconic Aiur on April 23, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
I got to episode 3 when they captured unjustlly tyron. One of the good characters and stopped watching it.
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 24, 2015, 01:30:41 AM
I got to episode 3 when they captured unjustlly tyron. One of the good characters and stopped watching it.
You stopped at the third episode of the first season because something sort of bad happened to one of your favorite characters?

*laughs*
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*rolls on the floor laughing*
*dies laughing*
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Post by: Jason78 on April 24, 2015, 01:07:40 PM
It's not as if anyone died.
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Post by: drunkenshoe on April 24, 2015, 01:25:04 PM
Oh that's nothing. I haven't seen Breaking Bad yet and got yelled by people with explosive facial expressions several times for that. Seriously. Soon guys, soon. Anyway, at least I am on time with House of Cards. Phew.
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Post by: Green Bottle on April 25, 2015, 07:02:16 PM
I just watched episode 4 of the new series but i wont spoil it for anyone, but wow'',  who the fff would've expected that.......... :shifty:
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 26, 2015, 12:58:00 AM
Hodor must've finally taken the iron throne.  Totally called it in advance.
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Post by: Aroura33 on April 29, 2015, 12:12:04 AM
Episode 3 had enough unexpected stuff.  Do I have to spoil tag everything? I mean, if you haven't watched the most recent episode, don't read the thread!!  lol

So poor, poor Sansa.  She's either going to be married to psycho boy, or else Littlefinger is using the situation to try and take the north and her with it in the bargain somehow.  Either way, she's a always someone else's pawn.

Loved hearing some of Brianne's back-story, very touching actually.  And how she's softening towards Pod.  I didn't like her murderous rampage lately....she's not a thug like that in the books, where her honor/chivalry is more important to her than most knighted knights.  The wanting to cut down the whores and burry them, that's more Brianne.

Anyway, looks like they are really going off into new territory and rewriting all the main character story lines heavily.  I'm going to be patient and wait until next weekend to watch episode 4....I'm excited to see where the writers are going with it now!
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 19, 2015, 12:53:41 AM
So many episodes to comment on, so little time.

As a book reader, please allow me a small rant on the abandoned or radically-altered plotlines.

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Post by: Hydra009 on May 19, 2015, 01:29:15 AM
S5E4/E5

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Post by: Agramon on May 19, 2015, 06:38:37 AM
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Post by: Green Bottle on May 19, 2015, 09:08:31 AM
Watched episode 5 last nite an it's starting to get very interesting, but as some of you havent got that far yet ill say nuthing.  But fksake, those damned Sons of the Harpy need sorted out s all im sayin........ :shifty:
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 19, 2015, 12:19:07 PM
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 25, 2015, 02:14:20 AM
I actually really liked the latest Game of Thrones!

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Post by: Shiranu on May 25, 2015, 12:43:58 PM
I still haven't gotten around to seeing episode 2 and on of this season... I really need to...
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 01, 2015, 02:17:14 AM
Season 5 Episode 8.  Another good one.

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Post by: Green Bottle on June 01, 2015, 12:04:59 PM
Im watching episode 7 later an it looks like things are ''hotting up''  :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2015, 10:06:06 PM
Great episode, and I would just like to say that Danish woman who played the Wildling woman was beautiful.

So...

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Post by: Hydra009 on June 01, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 03, 2015, 02:42:28 AM
Season 5 Episode 8.  Another good one.

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About The boat: to be fair he ordered one of them to come back. I think that was the one.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2015, 03:46:49 AM
Ah okay.  I must've missed that part.

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Post by: Agramon on June 03, 2015, 05:35:22 AM
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2015, 03:07:52 PM
Episode 9 tonight.  These are always good for a shocking murder or massacre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJrx7pX5zEc
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 08, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
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Post by: stromboli on June 08, 2015, 06:04:04 PM
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I'm blown away by Peter Dinklage. He has in many ways become the soul of the show, and his skills as an actor are astonishing. And I'm also glad Sophie Turner got a bigger role in the show than Sansa did in the book. She is presented a lot differently. I saw somewhere that GRRM has said he is done with the G of T books, but I don't know. The show has carried the story in some ways better than the books, and I would not be bothered if there were two different stories told, one in the books and one on HBO. Overall quite pleased with the show. The last episode lived up to my expectations.
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Post by: TomFoolery on June 08, 2015, 06:13:29 PM
I would not be bothered if there were two different stories told, one in the books and one on HBO. Overall quite pleased with the show. The last episode lived up to my expectations.

I spent a lot of useless energy arguing this fact with my friends over social media last night. Same with the Walking Dead. I love the written works and the television shows in different ways, and the differences are what keeps them exciting.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2015, 06:33:36 PM
Seaon 5 Episode 9:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9gC1GiSDDA

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Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2015, 06:41:00 PM
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Post by: Shiranu on June 09, 2015, 01:20:05 AM
I just really don't see how people are saying what happened in episode 9 was out of character...a direct quote from the character...

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Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 09, 2015, 02:32:23 AM
I just really don't see how people are saying what happened in episode 9 was out of character...a direct quote from the character...

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Post by: Hydra009 on June 09, 2015, 03:15:35 AM
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Post by: Shiranu on June 09, 2015, 05:31:24 AM
To each their own. To me Stannis has made it clear since day one that he is willing to do what ever is necessary to regain the throne. If you supported him before, then you should have seen this coming. Even if you didn't, this was a pretty obvious scenario that would happen sooner or later.

I guess I am just cynical, because this is how I have always seen Stannis. I thought that was the appeal to him that everyone liked, that he was ruthless in his pursuit of the throne. Guess I was mistaken.
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 09, 2015, 07:21:39 AM
To each their own. To me Stannis has made it clear since day one that he is willing to do what ever is necessary to regain the throne. If you supported him before, then you should have seen this coming. Even if you didn't, this was a pretty obvious scenario that would happen sooner or later.

I guess I am just cynical, because this is how I have always seen Stannis. I thought that was the appeal to him that everyone liked, that he was ruthless in his pursuit of the throne. Guess I was mistaken.

I never really supported Stannis. But I admired his character. (Still do the book-version, for now.) And even with this recent turn of events, and perhaps even more so now, he is an interesting character. Fuck him (show version), but he's a fascinating fictional character.

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Sorry for the rant but... predictable or not. Fitting of his character or not. This hit hard.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 09, 2015, 11:53:39 AM
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I don't see what is a strawman about saying Game of Thrones is a story of people you like dying, or becoming an asshole.
It's a story about a lot of things.  Fire and Ice.  Villainy and heroism, though characters are mostly shades of gray.  Not every character necessarily has to become a monster or die.  Such a show would have few fans, except perhaps fans of the White Walkers.  The charm of the show is that many of the prime characters neither give up nor give in, even under intense strain, and are adored by their respective fans because of it.
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Post by: Shiranu on June 15, 2015, 01:01:07 AM
That was painful. Probably the most painful episode I can remember, but to be fair it's been awhile since I saw the Red Wedding...
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 15, 2015, 02:20:14 AM
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Post by: PopeyesPappy on June 15, 2015, 10:25:41 AM
Fuck it. I am now rooting for the white walkers because there is no one left in Westeros worth saving.
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Post by: TomFoolery on June 15, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
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Post by: josephpalazzo on February 15, 2016, 08:52:47 AM
We're almost there for season 6. The teaser is out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmrA8nOZF2Q
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Post by: josephpalazzo on March 09, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
Another teaser out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U
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Post by: Hydra009 on March 09, 2016, 12:24:08 PM
The High Sparrow's words sent chills down me.  Also, an Other in an unexpected place.  Holy shit.

HBO also made some banner teasers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H68jBjb5XbQ) and those are great, too.  It seems like every faction has an adversary that is their polar opposite.  Honor vs treachery.  The wealthy elite vs the mob.  Royalty vs barbarians.

I can't wait to see how it'll all turn out.  I hope it does justice to the book!

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Post by: josephpalazzo on March 09, 2016, 01:56:04 PM
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 10, 2016, 04:59:01 PM
I've been watching a lot of GOT-content on youtube: mostly the most kick-ass scenes of the prior seasons and a bunch of theory videos. All to get the hype up for the 24th.
While necessarily most of the theories I come across must logically be wrong, seeing as they go against one another, it truly is humiliating; showing me how little I picked up from the books and such.
A great deal of these theories seem to be about Azor Ahai. By the way. Who is (s)he? Who'll be the savior(s) of Westeros, proclaimed in all legend.
And that's fine, wondering all that and such... But I've also been thinking about it from another side. One I haven't seen mentioned yet. But I'm sure it's out there already as I'm not half-clever or -original enough to be the first to have thought it. As well as I'm gonna go out and say, like most theories out there, it's probably not true, but, for a lark, here goes:

Azor Ahai is
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Post by: josephpalazzo on April 10, 2016, 05:17:29 PM
Rumor is: Jon Snow will be resurrected by the Red Woman.
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 10, 2016, 06:28:39 PM
A great deal of these theories seem to be about Azor Ahai. By the way. Who is (s)he? Who'll be the savior(s) of Westeros, proclaimed in all legend.
And that's fine, wondering all that and such... But I've also been thinking about it from another side. One I haven't seen mentioned yet. But I'm sure it's out there already as I'm not half-clever or -original enough to be the first to have thought it. As well as I'm gonna go out and say, like most theories out there, it's probably not true, but, for a lark, here goes:

Azor Ahai is
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 11, 2016, 02:38:33 PM
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Glad you enjoyed them.  Though be cautious with Preston Jacobs.  Although he goes to great lengths to back up what he's saying, he has a tendency to string together a lot of seemingly unrelated facts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfkNY-XBdOc) into a narrative that superficially seems rational.  I personally think he's overthinking it by far (if half of his theories are true, GRRM is an unbelievably clever and detail-oriented writer), but his videos never cease to entertain and intrigue me.  Just don't have such an open mind that your brains fall out.

The one video I completely agree with him on is the
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 11, 2016, 02:55:22 PM
Glad you enjoyed them.  Though be cautious with Preston Jacobs.  Although he goes to great lengths to back up what he's saying, he has a tendency to string together a lot of seemingly unrelated facts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfkNY-XBdOc) into a narrative that superficially seems rational.  I personally think he's overthinking it by far (if half of his theories are true, GRRM is a ludicrously clever and detail-oriented writer), but his videos never cease to entertain and intrigue.  Just don't have such an open mind that your brains fall out.
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But all in all: a most enjoyable view.
Let me thank you with a vid I found that I find most interesting, which you may not have seen yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbZkUo8VIh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbZkUo8VIh4)
P.S. I'll check that out, because my money on the author is currently:
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 11, 2016, 03:36:32 PM
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 11, 2016, 04:49:17 PM
About the video:
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 24, 2016, 11:26:54 PM
Tonight's the night!  Woo!

Here's a recap of previous seasons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGFEPeIxPaw
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 01, 2016, 09:38:35 PM
I'm curious about what you guys thought of Season 6 Episode 1.  I read that this premiere got less viewers than the season 5 premiere.  I guess people are still upset about Dorne.  Not me, though.  *bites lip*

Like most of the premieres, we get some recap, some exposition, check in with our characters, and not much really happens.  This one was slightly different.  Definitely a dismal, defeatist tone, though.  I feel like if this episode were a person, it'd be really into emo.

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Post by: AkiraTheFighter on May 02, 2016, 11:48:50 PM
Wow Congratulations S06e02 of Floppy Weaners.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 03, 2016, 03:12:01 AM
Season 6 Episode 2:  The Plotline That Was Promised

Fantastic episode!  A lot of pleasant surprises this time around.

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Post by: Hydra009 on May 23, 2016, 01:50:55 AM
Season 6 Episode 5.  Pretty much the perfect episode!  One of the best of the series, imho.

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Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 23, 2016, 01:14:23 PM
Season 6 Episode 5.  Pretty much the perfect episode!  One of the best of the series, imho.

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And might I add:
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 25, 2016, 02:40:09 AM
And might I add:
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Wounded comrade:  "S.H.I.E.L.D. attacking us from all sides.  Take this Cosmic Cube to Hanger 9.  Hail Hydra."

Hanger 9.  Hail Hydra.
Hangr 9.  Hail Hydra.
Hanr 9.  Hydra.
9.  Hydra.
Hydra 9.
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 25, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
A possible theory about bran and bloodraven I came up with.

I posted this on reddit too, don't think it'll get much attention

Don't read before you've watched 'The Door'.

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True? Probably not. But keeping an open mind here :p
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 26, 2016, 12:52:48 AM
I doubt there's any stable time loop going on beyond what we've seen already.  I have my plate full with wild theories at the moment, throw time travel into the mix and I might pop.

Though I have noticed certain characters tend to feel an unexplained presence near weirwood trees:  Ned, Jon, Arya, Theon.  Maybe events are being influenced in extremely subtle ways...

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Post by: stromboli on May 26, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 26, 2016, 12:32:31 PM
I just thought of a small missed opportunity with the Boltons.  Hopefully, it'll happen in the books:

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Post by: stromboli on May 26, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
I just thought of a small missed opportunity with the Boltons.  Hopefully, it'll happen in the books:

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Can't be another Targaryen. That would be too much.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 27, 2016, 12:05:19 AM
I meant a regular o' bastard.  (In both senses of the word)  I've had my fill of secret Targaryens.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 29, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbdWSde_0Q
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 30, 2016, 02:21:24 AM
Season 6 Episode 6.

Another good one, though a few characters are in danger purely because of their own idiocy.  I'm not liking this idea of making characters unusually dumb in order to get them into harm's way.  The characters should act normally and danger will find them regardless.  Plot-induced stupidity was a major feature of season 5 and I really hope season 6 doesn't go down that same way.

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Post by: stromboli on May 30, 2016, 09:22:03 AM
Not sure, but I think the sand mountains are Morocco.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 30, 2016, 12:07:01 PM
Not sure, but I think the sand mountains are Morocco.
I looked into it.  Spain.  Alhamila mountains.

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/70721181.jpg)

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They look very strange, especially up close.  I could've sworn they were fake.  I guess not.  My bad.
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Post by: stromboli on June 01, 2016, 02:50:51 PM
We've got areas in Southern Utah that have similar formations. I've seen them before so assumed they were real. With CGI you never know.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2016, 03:31:49 AM
GET HYPE!

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Post by: stromboli on June 07, 2016, 08:04:38 AM
GET HYPE!

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Interesting theory. I haven't given the Waif that much of an impact on the story, but the way everything has become so convoluted it could happen.
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 07, 2016, 08:44:34 AM
GET HYPE!

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Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2016, 12:03:44 PM
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It's from the reddit thread.  The more show-your-source news outlets link the reddit thread.  The ones that are the news equivalent of 9gag don't.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 12, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Before we get to the next episode, there's still some stuff from the last one that's bugging me:

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Post by: stromboli on June 12, 2016, 06:59:51 PM
Yeah I meant Margaery. Sorry.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 13, 2016, 01:57:12 AM
It's okay, but man, I have some serious misgivings about S6E8.

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Post by: stromboli on June 13, 2016, 10:26:10 AM
Agree with everything you posted; I'm waiting for the book as well. One of the problems with any TV movie presentation is you have to try to get everything in a well defined time frame and package it. I can understand why Martin is taking so long to write the books, but personally wish he'd had the foresight to be about one book further ahead than he was when the TV series started. That explains to me why the problem resolutions go the way they did, to tie off lose ends. They made a major blunder concerning the Sand sisters and the death of Trystane.

And the reintroduction of Sandor Clegane  opens up some questions as to future plot development. I have a feeling he and Arya are going to hook up again. I fear the last episodes are going to be more anticlamactic rather than revealing any new surprises. But we will see. Maybe they will spring some surprises on us. 
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 13, 2016, 02:03:53 PM
Agree with everything you posted; I'm waiting for the book as well.
I don't even know if I agree with everything I said.  I was pretty harsh, maybe unnecessarily so.  It was off the cuff and born of frustration.

The bottom line is that I expected big payoffs with these characters that never really materialized.  Maybe I just had overly high expectations or maybe the show has outpaced the source material to such a degree that D&D is essentially flying blind and had to wrap things up the best they could.  Even so, it's strange how we can have amazing episodes with incredible reveals and then have other episodes that either plod along or resolve really poorly.

A couple people in my family can't get into the show (strong aversion to fantasy) but want to hear about it so I break it down for them.  Honestly, my summaries make the show seem pretty bad.

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Post by: stromboli on June 13, 2016, 03:46:14 PM
All to be resolved in the next 2 episodes. Or maybe not. :biggrin:
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 13, 2016, 04:00:05 PM
Next episode gives us the much-anticipated
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I don't think I've ever cheered on the Starks before, so this'll be a new experience for me.  Here's to hoping the protagonists win for a change and that it's adapted well from the source material.
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Post by: GrinningYMIR on June 16, 2016, 01:53:10 PM
Hold the door
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Post by: GrinningYMIR on June 16, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
Manly tears
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 16, 2016, 02:12:44 PM
Yeah, that reveal was a big punch in the gut to me, too.  Best episode of the season so far.

You know what's really screwed up about it?

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Post by: GrinningYMIR on June 16, 2016, 02:21:43 PM
Yeah, that reveal was a big punch in the gut to me, too.  Best episode of the season so far.

You know what's really screwed up about it?

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*gets on floor
Tries not to cry.
Cries a lot*
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 16, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/nYp7Lir.gif)
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Post by: stromboli on June 16, 2016, 02:33:29 PM
I will settle for Ramsay Bolton getting what he has coming. Might involve hungry dogs.....
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 16, 2016, 02:42:33 PM
I will settle for Ramsay Bolton getting what he has coming. Might involve hungry dogs.....
If he doesn't die by the end of the season, I'll be very upset.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 20, 2016, 01:44:28 AM
Well, I am not upset.  In fact, I am very, very pleased.  :)

This episode more than makes up for last week's poor performance.  We finally get the bloodletting we so crave.  As much as I like the speeches and small talk, the battles are what I tune in for.  And I've seen feature films with less of a budget than the episode I just watched.

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Post by: stromboli on June 20, 2016, 02:07:23 AM
For once I anticipated what would happen and it did

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Can't wait for the finale. Ought to be good.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 20, 2016, 02:15:40 AM
Can't wait for the finale. Ought to be good.
Since you had such a great prediction, I give one of my own:

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Post by: SGOS on June 20, 2016, 06:51:04 AM
I watched the first two seasons, bought the third, and never finished watching the set.  I was very interested at first, but then just lost interest.  An odd turn of events, since I didn't dislike it.  But every time I would say to myself, "I should finish watching the third season," I just couldn't muster the interest to sit down and do it.  The three season set is sitting in front of me now on the shelf.  It's been there for 3 or 4 years untouched. 
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 20, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Season 3 was great.  Especially episode 9!

Though the first few episodes were somewhat of a lull after the epic battle of season 2, so being bored initially isn't uncommon.  But things pick up and there are major character moments throughout the second half of that season.  That whole season is not for the squeamish, either.

It's only in season 5 that things start slipping.  But even then, it's mostly just certain plotlines and episodes rather than the entire show.
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Post by: SGOS on June 20, 2016, 12:58:36 PM
Well, I guess I better dust it off and finish watching the rest of season 3. 

I was luke warm on Breaking Bad at first, but as it progressed, I liked it more and more.  I own all the episodes now, and have watched it maybe 5 times.

On the other end of the phenomenon, I enjoyed season 4 of American Horror Story (Asylum).  For some reason, I watched season 4 first on Amazon.  I tried season 1 and didn't finish it.  Then I bought Asylum for myself.  Thinking season 1 was just a flop, I went out and bought season 3, Freak Show.  But after watching half of it, I don't think I'll finish that one.  It's gory and emotionally disturbing enough, but the story just kind of flops around and doesn't seem go anywhere.  The actors even seem bored with the whole project.
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Post by: GrinningYMIR on June 21, 2016, 11:34:40 PM
Rip
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Rip
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 27, 2016, 01:12:20 AM
What a finale!  And I thought the ending to Hamlet was bloody!

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Post by: stromboli on June 28, 2016, 12:11:13 PM
Was expecting the death of Loras, but not Margaery. It made sense that Cersei only destroyed the sept, because there has to be a Kings Landing and a throne of swords to be taken at the end. I thought Tommen was toast one way or the other because of the prophecy and his place in the middle of events. He's had a target on him all season. If there was an outright surprise it was Arya doing in Walder Frey and his sons, though that was certainly satisfying. And Jon Snow's origin was no surprise, really. Everybody figured that one out.

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Post by: Hydra009 on June 28, 2016, 01:05:02 PM
As thrilling as the finale was, there was a bunch of stuff that seemed cool at the time, but on second look, didn't make much sense.  Nitpick mode engage!

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Post by: stromboli on June 28, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
I think mention was made that the sons of the Harpy were run by the slavers. As to the other stuff, well...
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Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 28, 2016, 05:14:38 PM
I just have to say,

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Post by: stromboli on June 28, 2016, 07:44:45 PM
I just have to say,

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Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 28, 2016, 07:45:58 PM
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Dude, this is the internet. Copious nudity is a Google search away.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 28, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
I just have to say,

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Here's what I like:

1) A medieval world with real realpolitik, courtly intrigue, and fairly realistic depictions of violence and cruelty.  Very gritty.  The Brave Companions and the Clegane brothers are a very sharp departure from the standard knightly tropes.

2) A medieval world with fantasy races and magic.  None of that is particularly new, of course.  Writers have been doing dragons and giants for forever.  But how they're used is interesting.  There's this clash between the magical/fantastic denizens of the far-flung regions of the world and the comparatively magicless and mundane Westeros.  The white walkers (and arguably the dragons) represent an existential threat to the people of Westeros.

3) Amazing worldbuilding.  Varied locales with their own religions, histories, politics, and famous figures.  Regions have a very distinct feel to them as do the people living there.  The world almost seems like a real place.

4) Lots and lots of characters, though the accuracy of that statement is steadily declining.  There's such a variety of characters with different personalities, goals, and circumstances.  You have honorable nobles, less honorable nobles, learned maesters, courtly schemers, sellswords, knights, barbarians, assassins, greenseers, wargs, priests/priestesses, etc.  And women taking center stage roughly as much as men.  Honestly, it's difficult to not empathize with the plight of at least one of the characters every episode.

5) Although the show is less effective at it, mysteries and intrigue abounds in the books.  Definitely a lot of shocking events, too.

So yeah, it's well worth the time spent reading it and watching it, imho.
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Post by: stromboli on June 29, 2016, 09:08:13 AM
True story bro.  :biggrin:

I watch it for everything Hydra said. If G R R Martin would get off his behind and produce the books ahead of the series, I'd be much happier. The books are in every way better, because the nuances and asides and references add up to stuff later on and you go, "oh yeah! I get it!" You can't be as subtle and complicated with a series. Better yet he keeps you guessing, because characters that you expect to live get killed, and bad people that deserve to die come out ahead.

As Hydra has also pointed out, there are a lot of problems plot hole and continuity wise with the show, but hey- it continues the narrative that the late arriving books haven't done yet. And the plotting, inside maneuvering and medieval style works for me. Fascinating shit with some copious nudity for garnish.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 29, 2016, 11:16:02 AM
If G R R Martin would get off his behind and produce the books ahead of the series, I'd be much happier.
He's working on it.  But he's very meticulous and the tradeoff of having so many characters is having to give them all exciting plotlines that fit continuity and characterization and lead up to something incredible.  Very difficult to pull off and very easy to write yourself into a corner, so understandably, it's going to take a while.

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Most of the plotholes happen in seasons 5 and 6.  And a lot of em could be fixed pretty easily.

The show cut a lot of book characters and their associated plotlines, which is fine when they use the airtime that they have wisely.  But it's galling to see obvious filler in the show when we know they have awesome stuff that they could have put in there instead. *coughLadyStoneheartcough*
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Post by: stromboli on June 30, 2016, 09:36:14 AM
Well one thing is for sure. Cersei managed to write off a whole bunch of subplots with one candle. Along with a whole bunch of religious acolytes. And a babe or two.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 30, 2016, 01:06:57 PM
One part I found funny:

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Post by: Hydra009 on July 16, 2017, 11:46:34 PM
Thrones is back!!! :dance:

What does everyone think of tonight's episode?
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Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 17, 2017, 10:02:09 AM
Don't know, didn't watch it because I still don't understand the show's appeal. However, as a result of watching a great many Star Wars videos of late, this popped into my suggestions box:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTJEZXtr94

Now that's a show I'd watch.
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 17, 2017, 07:02:01 PM
I kinda liked the new episode.  Just seeing all the characters again was great.  It feels like it's been ages since the last season.

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Post by: simplyalex on July 17, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
I need to deactivate my facebook as I am seeing a lot GOT spoilers post. There are times wherein I want to unfriend most of my friends.
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 17, 2017, 10:56:48 PM
I need to deactivate my facebook as I am seeing a lot GOT spoilers post. There are times wherein I want to unfriend most of my friends.
There's so much coverage that if GRR Martin stubs his toe Tuesday morning, the whole world knows it by lunch.  I basically stay off the internet until I'm up to date.
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Post by: Cavebear on July 18, 2017, 06:04:14 AM
Spoiler alert.  People die...
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Post by: GrinningYMIR on July 18, 2017, 10:29:33 AM
THe north remembered
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 25, 2017, 12:54:53 AM
7x02

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Post by: Deidre32 on July 25, 2017, 08:37:38 AM
Love where they're going with this, and loved the ending. I think it was more believable to see Theon such a state. I wonder if Jon Snow and Dany will hook up? Hmmm...
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 25, 2017, 10:16:35 AM
I wonder if Jon Snow and Dany will hook up? Hmmm...
To paraphrase Rawrist:  I want Jon to do the horizontal shuffle with Dany then figure out that she's his aunt.  He's horrified but she has no problem at all with it.  Because that's just how Targaryens roll.
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Post by: Sylar on July 25, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
Hahahaha

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Post by: Hydra009 on July 25, 2017, 11:18:32 PM
Hahahaha

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Post by: Sylar on July 28, 2017, 05:08:28 PM
Season 2, Episode 1: The North Remembers

Melisandre says: "Lord of Light, come to us in our darkness. We offer you these false gods. Take them and cast your light upon us, for the night is dark and full of terrors. After the long summer, darkness will fall heavy on the world. The stars will bleed. The cold breath of winter will freeze the seas... and the dead shall rise in the North."

Remember this as you watch Season 7.
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Post by: Sylar on July 28, 2017, 05:09:57 PM
I am really excited for the reunion between Ser Davos and Red Woman. Can't wait to see what's gunna happen.
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 28, 2017, 10:52:46 PM
I am really excited for the reunion between Ser Davos and Red Woman. Can't wait to see what's gunna happen.
She has a name.  :P
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Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 29, 2017, 01:26:38 PM
http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2016/05/01
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 30, 2017, 05:13:00 PM
Just watched s7e2

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Post by: Deidre32 on July 30, 2017, 05:31:09 PM
I'm anxious to see where Theon swims off to. lol Or who will take him in? Who will he side with now, or will he go it alone? He doesn't seem to have the fortitude to go it alone, but you never know. I also want to see how the Lannisters play out. It's weird how there are characters I strongly dislike, but still cheer for (secretly)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on July 30, 2017, 09:35:50 PM
Who will he side with now, or will he go it alone? He doesn't seem to have the fortitude to go it alone, but you never know.
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on July 30, 2017, 10:55:22 PM
I agree with your spoilers, Hydra.

Ahhh tonight's episode was truly so good!

You've got work to do, Jon Snow.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on July 31, 2017, 12:54:17 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 10:55:53 AM
See, i GET 'Battleship' but I don't "get" Game of thrones.  Anyone who says atheists are all alike should read this... ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2017, 12:40:44 PM
See, i GET 'Battleship' but I don't "get" Game of thrones.  Anyone who says atheists are all alike should read this... ;)

LOTR for adults.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 06, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
LOTR for adults.
Basically.  Though, I'd argue that LOTR was also for adults.  It's not like you hit your next birthday and suddenly, imaginative world-building, dragons, and magic becomes dull.

Game of Thrones is a much gritter, cynical take on a LOTR setting.

People are bastards and bastards are people.  Lords aren't necessarily enlightened or compassionate to their own people, much less another realm's people.  They wage petty squabbles as the world dies a slow death.  Knights are brutish and dishonorable.  Magic exists, but it's dangerous and terrifying.  A coinpurse and a whisper is worth a thousand swords.

Also, GoT is a series with a thousand mysteries and a million fan theories.  Schemers galore, as well as a sketchy history told by unreliable narrators with their own agendas.  These unanswered questions keep a lot of people's attention between books and between seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 01:45:14 PM
Basically.  Though, I'd argue that LOTR was also for adults.  It's not like you hit your next birthday and suddenly, imaginative world-building, dragons, and magic becomes dull.

Game of Thrones is a much gritter, cynical take on a LOTR setting.

People are bastards and bastards are people.  Lords aren't necessarily enlightened or compassionate to their own people, much less another realm's people.  They wage petty squabbles as the world dies a slow death.  Knights are brutish and dishonorable.  Magic exists, but it's dangerous and terrifying.  A coinpurse and a whisper is worth a thousand swords.

Also, GoT is a series with a thousand mysteries and a million fan theories.  Schemers galore, as well as a sketchy history hold by unreliable narrators with their own agendas.  These unanswered questions keep a lot of people's attention between books and between seasons.

I appreciate that people watch what they enjoy watching.  But there are things I am proud to have never watched.  I never saw an episode of 'Dallas'.  Or 'CHIPS'.  Or Baywatch.  Or any "reality show" (it takes some effort).  On the other paw, that doesn't mean every or anyone has to watch the Science and Nature documentaries  and evolution DVDs *I* prefer.  And (*koff, koff*) sci-fi superhero stuff).

But I DO have my opinion about that.  ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on August 06, 2017, 10:07:01 PM
Tonight's episode...epic AF! Wow, soooo good! There are series that I always imagine changing something, but not this.

What I think is intriguing about GoT, is that it depicts everyday life today, only with dragons. And white walkers. And primal lust. And medieval undertones. And...

I love it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 06, 2017, 11:41:03 PM
I'd like to add a bit more on my last post:

Another part of the appeal of GoT is that this represents a huge change in how fantasy TV shows are produced.  For a very long time, fantasy TV shows did not have big enough budgets to hire good actors or do much in the way of special effects.

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Then HBO announces they're doing this big-budget, film-quality adaptation of a fantasy book series.  The one with a staggering number of characters in varied locales and gigantic, effects-heavy battles.  It was ambitious as hell for 2011.

You can really tell that a lot of blood, sweat, and tears went into the production - everything from costumes to sets to the gigantic battles with a bunch of real horses.

It's very reminiscent of LOTR in terms of production as well as the setting.  From what I've read, they tried to top Rome in terms of production quality.  They succeeded!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 07, 2017, 03:19:53 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2017, 07:09:00 AM
It would be hard to beat Rome (the series).  Et Tu ... Hydra?  There should have been a longer final season for Rome (the series).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 07, 2017, 11:22:30 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 07, 2017, 03:07:45 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 07, 2017, 03:08:49 PM
She has a name.  :P

Melisandre. Had to say it -- wouldn't want to burn at the stake :D.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 07, 2017, 03:32:32 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 07, 2017, 04:04:18 PM
I'll be controversial and say that this isn't the best episode so far.  I actually liked the previous episode, 7x03, a little bit more since it had an especially moving final scene.

And aside from the opening episode, all episodes so far have had a huge battle sequence near the end.  Maybe that's why this season is so short - because they're maxing out the effects budget.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 07, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
I'll be controversial and say that this isn't the best episode so far.  I actually liked the previous episode, 7x03, a little bit more since it had an especially moving final scene.


Blasphemy!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 07, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 07, 2017, 06:44:40 PM
Have you seen the preview? I cannot wait. Saw the preview and immediately called/texted friends so we can have a party and watch it together. We will be playing GOT Risk, make some foods from GOT, and of course watch the new episode.
I wanted "the GoT boardgame" for Christmas one year.  I got the Risk version.  :(

The maps are pretty sweet, but Risk is kinda played out at this point.

My interest in the board game has waned, and the card game looks great, but getting players together might be a problem, especially after the TV show ends.  I don't know if I want to buy a game where I have to teach people that may or may not have much interest in the first place.  And how often could I possibly get a group together?

Hence my enduring wariness of board/card games.  It's a better experience than video games...if you can successfully get a group together that's willing to learn and play, which is often not the case for me.  You have to roll the dice before you roll the dice, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 08, 2017, 02:55:43 AM
I'll be controversial and say that this isn't the best episode so far.  I actually liked the previous episode, 7x03, a little bit more since it had an especially moving final scene.

And aside from the opening episode, all episodes so far have had a huge battle sequence near the end.  Maybe that's why this season is so short - because they're maxing out the effects budget.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 08, 2017, 03:04:57 AM
I wanted "the GoT boardgame" for Christmas one year.  I got the Risk version.  :(

The maps are pretty sweet, but Risk is kinda played out at this point.

My interest in the board game has waned, and the card game looks great, but getting players together might be a problem, especially after the TV show ends.  I don't know if I want to buy a game where I have to teach people that may or may not have much interest in the first place.  And how often could I possibly get a group together?

Hence my enduring wariness of board/card games.  It's a better experience than video games...if you can successfully get a group together that's willing to learn and play, which is often not the case for me.  You have to roll the dice before you roll the dice, if you know what I mean.

It's definitely hard to get a group together for board games, especially ones like GoT where interest will eventually wane.

But, they're fun. And, I don't own the game; my friend does.

GOT: The Board Game sounds like a lot of fun, but not sure if any of my friends have it. I will ask. I would prefer it more than Risk I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on August 09, 2017, 05:14:34 AM
I wanted "the GoT boardgame" for Christmas one year.  I got the Risk version.  :(

The maps are pretty sweet, but Risk is kinda played out at this point.

My interest in the board game has waned, and the card game looks great, but getting players together might be a problem, especially after the TV show ends.  I don't know if I want to buy a game where I have to teach people that may or may not have much interest in the first place.  And how often could I possibly get a group together?

Hence my enduring wariness of board/card games.  It's a better experience than video games...if you can successfully get a group together that's willing to learn and play, which is often not the case for me.  You have to roll the dice before you roll the dice, if you know what I mean.

Play me Risk on Pogo.com and I'll teach you a lesson....  LOL!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 09, 2017, 04:14:55 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 10, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 11, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 11, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
On Facebook there is an image going around that assigns characters a monetary value, and asks people to choose their ultimate squad for $15. I picked Bran. People didn't seem to appreciate him enough though, from the comments I viewed. Even my own friends and cousins did not appreciate him, as no one picked him. I was like... Tywin + Bran would be unstoppable.
I love the $15 challenge!  Let's do it!  I edited your post to avoid any spoilers.  We should be able to post the $15 challenge publicly without spoiling anything for anyone as long as we don't reveal any specifics about the characters.

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Team Stannis
The Leader: Stannis the Mannis ($2)
The Magic: Mel ($4)
The Strategist:  Robb Stark ($3)
The Fighter: Brienne ($2)
The Muscle: Khal Drogo ($3)
And one buck left over to hire sellswords.  :)

Could you imagine Brienne fighting alongside Khal Drogo?!  Madness!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 11, 2017, 07:04:45 PM
2 bucks: stannis baratheon - The leader (Book version, not show version, and must be accomagnied by The onion knight. For a strong moral compas and a sense of duty.)
5 bucks: bran stark - The magic (Knowledge is power.)
3 bucks: rob stark - The strategist (He failed as a leader, but he won all the battles.)
3 arya stark - The fighter (Show version, not book version so far. Probably the strongest and most versatile fighter on the list, don't get why she's not five bucks. She'd be a bargain at five bucks.)
2 the hound - The Muscle (Almost went with Tormund because I like the fucker and would have one buck left to buy candy. But The hound and Arya in one team is a nice enough thought. I think, all in all, the muscle is the least important category and should be cheaped out on.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on August 13, 2017, 10:31:21 PM
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I'm loving this season so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 14, 2017, 02:15:25 AM
My picks:

$2 Stannis Baratheon - leader and rightful heir to the Iron Throne.
$1 High Sparrow - instrumental in keeping the common people in favor of the king. That will reduce the chance of rebellion.
$5 Bran Stark - the game's ultimate scout. He can see through time and space, and will be able to see the movements of the enemy early enough to help Tywin devise a strategy to defeat them.
$5 Tywin Lannister - the most ruthless strategist in the game, and a proven winner. He might lose some battles, but he wins wars. With Bran's magic, he would be unstoppable.
$1 Bronn - protects Tywin.
$1 Tormund - protects Bran.

As it is quite obvious, my goal in my picks is to win the war and rule in peace. I believe Bran and Tywin are the strongest duo in a war. I believe the Faith and the Crown will make sure the reign of Stannis Baratheon, the first of his name, peaceful and prosperous. I believe Bronn and Tormund are both capable warriors who would defend Tywin and Bran from treachery.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 15, 2017, 11:41:15 PM
I believe the Faith and the Crown will make sure the reign of Stannis Baratheon, the first of his name, peaceful and prosperous.
Book Stannis is an atheist and probably wouldn't tolerate the High Sparrow.  He'd probably tolerate the High Septon, but definitely not the High Sparrow.

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As long as you're the top bidder, Bronn's loyalty is impeccable.  He'd probably be okay with his hand in Tywin's purse.

Tormund is a capable warrior, but book Tormund is a schemer with a hidden agenda.  Betrayal is possible.

Stannis, Brienne, and Drogo are the only truly honorable characters in GoT (aside from Ned).  If they worked together, they'd be unstoppable.  But yeah, they probably wouldn't get along, either.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 16, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Sunday's episode was leaked early; therefore, don't read the spoilers unless you want to.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 16, 2017, 10:55:00 PM
My opinion on watching leaked episodes:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 16, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
My opinion on watching leaked episodes:

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The only downside to watching early leaked episodes is that when the day comes it actually airs, I have nothing to watch. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 16, 2017, 11:01:04 PM
The only downside to watching early leaked episodes is that when the day comes it actually airs, I have nothing to watch.
I watch 7 analysis videos for every episode of GoT.  It only drops off between seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: GrinningYMIR on August 16, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
Your prince will find only death in the cold north
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 17, 2017, 01:59:46 AM
My opinion on watching leaked episodes:

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I watched The leaked ep too. I can never see it 'legally' anyway. Or I'd have to wait a full year or so to buy The dvd's. Which i do buy, btw, so i am not a Total scoundrel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 17, 2017, 02:11:30 AM
I watched The leaked ep too. I can never see it 'legally' anyway. Or I'd have to wait a full year or so to buy The dvd's. Which i do buy, btw, so i am not a Total scoundrel.

Lol, I got the free 1 month HBO trial, which I will cancel before the month ends. I do not follow a lot of HBO shows for me to subscribe.

Saw leaked episode (needed to reward myself after the hectic day I've had :P), but I will watch it again on Sunday. Parts of the new episode were spoiled for me already, anyways.

I'll keep quiet till Sunday/Monday though.

Just kidding. Hey Hydra, in episode 6... shit happens.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 17, 2017, 02:12:22 AM
I watch 7 analysis videos for every episode of GoT.  It only drops off between seasons.

Who do you follow?

I like Alt Shift X. One of the best out there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 17, 2017, 02:15:54 AM
Book Stannis is an atheist and probably wouldn't tolerate the High Sparrow.  He'd probably tolerate the High Septon, but definitely not the High Sparrow.
As long as you're the top bidder, Bronn's loyalty is impeccable.  He'd probably be okay with his hand in Tywin's purse.

Tormund is a capable warrior, but book Tormund is a schemer with a hidden agenda.  Betrayal is possible.

Stannis, Brienne, and Drogo are the only truly honorable characters in GoT (aside from Ned).  If they worked together, they'd be unstoppable.  But yeah, they probably wouldn't get along, either.

All are fair critiques. I haven't read the books yet (been meaning to start, but no time...).

It's also unlikely that Bran Stark would work with Tywin Lannister, so I decidedly did not pay much attention to detail when I formed my list. I was evidently more concerned with leadership and winning the war by looking at skills, irrespective of how those characters would work together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 20, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
Who do you follow?

I like Alt Shift X. One of the best out there.
* Alt Shift X (essentially an infodump, but an extremely well-made one)
* Preston Jacobs (book-heavy, finfoilery theorist who goes into exquisite detail.  He's probably wrong about half of what he says, but he says a lot of really intriguing things.)
* Red Team Reviews (bannermen of House Jacobs, more easy-going and more tv-heavy)
* Rawrist (very knowledgeable and likable)
* The Last Harpy (theorist with short, interesting videos)
* New Rockstars (tv-heavy analysis videos that often point out easily-missed details)
* Secrets of the Citadel (very detailed, book-heavy theorist with lots of analysis videos)

If you throw in Angry Joe, some nights I "make the eight".  :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 05:10:41 PM
Reminder, I already watched tonight's episode.  hehe
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 20, 2017, 06:05:59 PM
I just realized I never properly reviewed 7x5.  Here goes!

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on August 20, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
I can't believe I opened that spoiler....aaaaahhhh!! >,<
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:18:52 PM
I can't believe I opened that spoiler....aaaaahhhh!! >,<

LOL, hope it doesn't spoil the viewing you have tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
My favorite spoiler ...

"He must be covered head to toe in plot armor by now."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on August 20, 2017, 10:56:59 PM
Well, that was a predictable show, not because I saw the spolier/leak above. lol

But, the ending was a surprise.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 21, 2017, 05:59:47 PM
7x6 Review

TL;DR It was everything I should have wanted, but it somehow disappointed me.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 21, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
7x6 Review

TL;DR It was everything I should have wanted, but it somehow disappointed me.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 21, 2017, 06:08:31 PM
You left out the very end with the
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on August 21, 2017, 07:55:07 PM
I liked it enough, but think it was a bit rushed, thrown together? It's like they know they have to condense things now, and it seemed a little sloppy last night.

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Post by: Hydra009 on August 21, 2017, 08:32:18 PM
I liked it enough, but think it was a bit rushed, thrown together? It's like they know they have to condense things now, and it seemed a little sloppy last night.
From what I've heard about production, they really are flying by the seat of their pants.  Instead of relying on pre-existing books, they're basically just working off of bullet point plot structure and filling in the gaps themselves.  They're also trying hard to wrap up loose ends (the HMS abandoned plotlines has officially been sunk this season) and speed towards the end.

I really hope George has things planned out much better in his books.  Especially his trademark subversion of fantasy expectations and elaborate, detailed plots that presumably must have a huge payoff.

Because, I swear to the Seven, if I read that Sam steals Excalibur from the Citadel after tricking the archmaester with the classic "look behind you, there's a dragon" and then personally slays like 50 white walkers by himself, is immediately handed the crown, and he takes dragonrider Arya as his queen-bride and they have a baby together called Jon Syrio Stark (the pornborn) - if that happens, on that day I'll make the Field of Fire look like one of Hot Pie's ovens!!!  :mad:
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Post by: Deidre32 on August 21, 2017, 09:14:01 PM
From what I've heard about production, they really are flying by the seat of their pants.  Instead of relying on pre-existing books, they're basically just working off of bullet point plot structure and filling in the gaps themselves.  They're also trying hard to wrap up loose ends (the HMS abandoned plotlines has officially been sunk this season) and speed towards the end.

I really hope George has things planned out much better in his books.  Especially his trademark subversion of fantasy expectations and elaborate, detailed plots that presumably must have a huge payoff.

Because, I swear to the Seven, if I read that Sam steals Excalibur from the Citadel after tricking the archmaester with the classic "look behind you, there's a dragon" and then personally slays like 50 white walkers by himself, is immediately handed the crown, and he takes dragonrider Arya as his queen-bride and they have a baby together called Jon Syrio Stark (the pornborn) - if that happens, on that day I'll make the Field of Fire look like one of Hot Pie's ovens!!!  :mad:

LMAO, too funny. But, yea, I agree! It better not be an absurd ending, and where is Theon Greyjoy!!!??? Did they forget about him? One episode left, how will they tie him in. I'm seeing more of Sam than him.
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Post by: Hydra009 on August 21, 2017, 09:29:21 PM
LMAO, too funny. But, yea, I agree! It better not be an absurd ending, and where is Theon Greyjoy!!!??? Did they forget about him? One episode left, how will they tie him in. I'm seeing more of Sam than him.
Yeah, I've been wondering that, too.  I've seen more of Hot Pie than him so far, lol.  Maybe the next episode?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 21, 2017, 10:31:30 PM
Question for everyone about the lastest episode:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sylar on August 22, 2017, 12:38:52 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on August 22, 2017, 11:30:30 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 22, 2017, 12:41:38 PM
Wow, only one more episode.  They shortened this season. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pr126 on August 23, 2017, 12:50:15 PM
I have seen some clips on Youtube on GoT. A veritable gore fest.
Not my scene, thanks. Although I did like LoTR.

GRRM is one sick puppy. But he knows what the market wants.
Blood and gore with sex.

Enjoy.

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Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2017, 01:15:14 PM
I have seen some clips on Youtube on GoT. A veritable gore fest.
Not my scene, thanks. Although I did like LoTR.

GRRM is one sick puppy. But he knows what the market wants.
Blood and gore with sex.

Enjoy.

I haven't seen such depravity, since I saw a documentary on Torquemada ;-(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 23, 2017, 07:43:48 PM
I have seen some clips on Youtube on GoT. A veritable gore fest.
Not my scene, thanks. Although I did like LoTR.

GRRM is one sick puppy. But he knows what the market wants.
Blood and gore with sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-QbFaY_wU
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Deidre32 on August 23, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
lol It's so much more than blood, gore and sex. It's not that much gore, I don't think?
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Post by: Hydra009 on August 23, 2017, 10:33:03 PM
lol It's so much more than blood, gore and sex. It's not that much gore, I don't think?
Imo, non-viewers think there's a lot more sex and violence than there really is because they rarely see much more than the promos.  They must think GoT fans are tuning into an orgy and pit fight every night, lol.

There's maybe like 20 minutes of sex in the whole series' runtime, if that.  And a surprisingly large amount of it is NOT the pleasant kind of sex at all.  We're talking boner kryptonite stuff here.

There's plenty of violence and a lot of it is pretty gory, but I dunno, it's comparable to other violent cable shows, shows like The Walking Dead.  Maybe along the lines of a Quentin Tarantino film at its bloodiest.  But there's a lot of time where it's just people talking......and walking...and brooding...and talking...and sailing...and talking...and staring off into the distance.

Anyone who tunes in for T&A or MMA fights every night is in for a huge disappointment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 24, 2017, 12:17:07 AM
So I am really, really behind but... I just got to the best Hodor scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 24, 2017, 12:18:22 AM
I have seen some clips on Youtube on GoT. A veritable gore fest.
Not my scene, thanks. Although I did like LoTR.

GRRM is one sick puppy. But he knows what the market wants.
Blood and gore with sex.

Enjoy.



My god, you are literally everything wrong with humanity. Muslims was whatever, but shitting on GoT? What the fuck type of monster are you?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pr126 on August 24, 2017, 01:35:14 AM
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What the fuck type of monster are you?

A monster that abhorrest gratuitous violence. Whether in real life or in entertainment.
Society becoming desensitized to violence, murder, barbarism.

If that is a "monster" to you, so be it.
I think you are over reacting. Think before you write.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 24, 2017, 01:48:07 AM
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A monster that abhorrest gratuitous violence.

So then you are okay with Game of Thrones.

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I think you are over reacting.

I think the joking over-dramatics went over your head.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pr126 on August 24, 2017, 01:55:27 AM
I am not amused.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 24, 2017, 02:08:11 AM
I am not amused.

Nonetheless, the violence in GoT is not gratuitous in the least. It is a simple necessity to advance the plot and resolve conflict between characters while maintaining a serious tone and serious consequences for your favorite and least favorite characters (and everyone inbetween). Without simulated violence, GoT's story could never exist, and that would be a shame. A body of art this comprehensive, expansive, and making tribute to actual historical events and depicting the realities of humanity outside of just the pretty parts has every right to exist.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2017, 07:23:33 AM
I am not amused.

So regal, your highness.  We are pleased ;-))
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 24, 2017, 11:35:43 PM
Nonetheless, the violence in GoT is not gratuitous in the least. It is a simple necessity to advance the plot and resolve conflict between characters while maintaining a serious tone and serious consequences for your favorite and least favorite characters (and everyone inbetween). Without simulated violence, GoT's story could never exist, and that would be a shame. A body of art this comprehensive, expansive, and making tribute to actual historical events and depicting the realities of humanity outside of just the pretty parts has every right to exist.
Yeah, I don't get how the author is supposed to do a fantasy version of the War of Roses (complete with the Glencoe Massacre) and not have it be bloody as hell.

The beating heart of GoT = fantasy setting + Reality Ensues.

You can't whitewash this stuff because that would defeat the whole point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2017, 12:46:00 AM
Yeah, I don't get how the author is supposed to do a fantasy version of the War of Roses (complete with the Glencoe Massacre) and not have it be bloody as hell.

The beating heart of GoT = fantasy setting + Reality Ensues.

You can't whitewash this stuff because that would defeat the whole point.

I think the Kennedy family, Bush family, Clinton family, Obama family and Trump family are just like those horrible nobles.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 25, 2017, 04:09:16 PM
https://youtu.be/EJZS87Gw89I
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 25, 2017, 09:13:45 PM
https://youtu.be/EJZS87Gw89I
An interesting idea.  But imo the more likely reason that the math doesn't add up is because Writers Have No Sense of Scale, rather than Westerosi people are giants.  (The Attack on Titan distances are spot on, though)

And it's really been bugging me how people can so quickly and relatively safely travel huge distances in season 7.  In the books and in the TV show up until recently, long-distance travel could take months and characters could and sometimes did get sick and die in transit, get kidnapped, robbed, shipwrecked, sidetracked, etc.  Making the journey successfully shows a pretty high amount of fortitude and determination.  It can even change your life.  Treating travel so cavalierly undercuts a lot of the gritty reputation the series cultivated.

In the real world during the middle ages, some europeans used to go on pilgrimages to Jerusalem.  It was treated as a hell of an accomplishment precisely because it was so difficult.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 25, 2017, 09:15:58 PM
I guess the last episode is not being leaked.  How sad.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 25, 2017, 09:35:24 PM
I guess the last episode is not being leaked.  How sad.
*Varys gets a crate delivered to him from India, he pries it open to reveal the leaker, hogtied*
*Varys caresses the leaker's cheek gingerly and tells him that his girlfriend must have been a lovely woman to inspire such boldness, then nails the crate back shut*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 26, 2017, 02:43:56 AM
An interesting idea.  But imo the more likely reason that the math doesn't add up is because Writers Have No Sense of Scale, rather than Westerosi people are giants.  (The Attack on Titan distances are spot on, though)

And it's really been bugging me how people can so quickly and relatively safely travel huge distances in season 7.  In the books and in the TV show up until recently, long-distance travel could take months and characters could and sometimes did get sick and die in transit, get kidnapped, robbed, shipwrecked, sidetracked, etc.  Making the journey successfully shows a pretty high amount of fortitude and determination.  It can even change your life.  Treating travel so cavalierly undercuts a lot of the gritty reputation the series cultivated.

In the real world during the middle ages, some europeans used to go on pilgrimages to Jerusalem.  It was treated as a hell of an accomplishment precisely because it was so difficult.

Oh i agree wholeheartedly. It's just an interesting idea.
But yes, Jaime's ride down to highgarden would have taken half a season in the first years of the show's run.
But far greater concern than the show, which I know always was meant to be wrapped up in 8 seasons... And of which I can understand that time constraints makes them cut certain things, though it doesn't make me understand why on earth they cut to fewer episodes per season...
No, far greater concern is that it makes me realize either George R. R. Martin will have to 'escalate' the events in his book series as well, though definitely in a less dramatic sence than we see in the show... Or he'll go over 8 books, and dramatically increase the chance that some other author will have to finish his legacy.
I don't know which one sounds worse, to be honest...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 27, 2017, 04:11:02 AM
For all the shit I give game of thrones and the recent episodes. I must give it these two things I failed to notice in the last episode:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 27, 2017, 10:56:54 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 27, 2017, 11:47:50 AM
I've been hinting at this theory for a while now, I might as well go ahead and say it directly:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pr126 on August 27, 2017, 11:31:36 PM
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/08/new-email-malware-scam-tries-to-lure-in-users-with-game-of-thrones-season-7-spoilers/
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On August 10 Proofpoint detected malicious email messages (Figure 1) purporting to contain unreleased Game of Thrones content. The email used the subject line "Wanna see the Game of Thrones in advance?" These lures are especially relevant since Season 7 of Game of Thrones premiered in July and concludes on Sunday, August 27, and the email claims to contain spoilers for the current season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 27, 2017, 11:47:34 PM
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...though it doesn't make me understand why on earth they cut to fewer episodes per season...

The amount of large scale battles, CGI, etc. in this latest series probably put some major budget and time restraints on HBO, even with the massive "dragon money" they are making.

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/08/new-email-malware-scam-tries-to-lure-in-users-with-game-of-thrones-season-7-spoilers/

Serves potential spoilers right.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 28, 2017, 12:11:17 AM
The amount of large scale battles, CGI, etc. in this latest series probably put some major budget and time restraints on HBO, even with the massive "dragon money" they are making.
If that's the case, they could've done more scenes that don't require big bucks. 
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sorginak on August 28, 2017, 12:13:17 AM
I have my beer, and I am ready to watch.
My thoughts on the season seven finale:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 28, 2017, 12:19:53 AM
I've been hinting at this theory for a while now, I might as well go ahead and say it directly:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 28, 2017, 11:02:13 PM
Just saw the season finale.  It felt like the first half of the best movie I've ever seen.

I'm sure I'll find something to nitpick later, but as far as I can tell, they finally did everything right.  Plot, characters bouncing off each other, dragon money-guzzling special effects.  Everything was on point.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 28, 2017, 11:10:49 PM
I remember I use to like Bronn, but honestly all the sell sword characters haven't interested me in years now. Even legendary ones in other genres grind my gears.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 28, 2017, 11:25:06 PM
I remember I use to like Bronn, but honestly all the sell sword characters haven't interested me in years now. Even legendary ones in other genres grind my gears.
I like sellswords.  You get a very down-to-earth perspective.  They don't give a rat's ass about honor or justice or feuding lords, they care about getting paid - so they'll tell you how it really is.  They also care about living, so they tend to cut and run from employers who get them into impossible fights, accidentally or intentionally.

Being a merc in the Mechwarrior games was always great.  The shifting web of alliances takes you on quite the tour of the galaxy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 28, 2017, 11:34:47 PM
Also, Clegane Bowl!  GET HYPE!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on August 29, 2017, 07:27:09 PM
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You get a very down-to-earth perspective.  They don't give a rat's ass about honor or justice or feuding lords, they care about getting paid - so they'll tell you how it really is.

Meh, fighting for honour, or family, or justice is just as, "how it really is" as fighting to satisfy your own ambitions. They all are the same thing at the end of the day; power. Bronn wants enough power to buy bitches, own a castle, and live like a noble... while someone like Cersei wants enough power to buy bitches (more figuratively), own a castle, and live like a noble. The only characters like that who are really exciting are Littlefinger and Varys. I still don't trust the Varys has the good of the kingdom at the centre of his heart, regardless of what he says.

That's why characters like Jon, Dany... even the Hound, Jorah, the Nightswatch, the Brotherhood are all much more interesting... what they fight is much more "how it really is" than anything Bronn has ever fought for. They don't have a choice; it's fight or die. There is nothing more real than that. You can choose to not fight for money and go on your merry way... not so much when you fight against death itself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 29, 2017, 10:02:26 PM
Meh, fighting for honour, or family, or justice is just as, "how it really is" as fighting to satisfy your own ambitions. They all are the same thing at the end of the day; power. Bronn wants enough power to buy bitches, own a castle, and live like a noble... while someone like Cersei wants enough power to buy bitches (more figuratively), own a castle, and live like a noble.
I meant that "they'll tell you how it really is" in the sense that the merc probably knows that the whole conflict is over money/land/power, as opposed to its official, noble reason.  They've seen more of the ugly side of the conflict than most others and don't tow the party line.  Bronn is worlds apart from someone like Polliver (a Lannister loyalist from the Hound's "I'm going to have to eat every fucking chicken in this room" scene)

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The only characters like that who are really exciting are Littlefinger and Varys. I still don't trust the Varys has the good of the kingdom at the centre of his heart, regardless of what he says.
What does he want, truly?  It's still a mystery.  Perhaps it's just as he says - he truly wants a peaceable realm with a just ruler.  But no doubt he also wants to whisper in that ruler's ear.  To accomplish what?  What could a just (and pliable) ruler provide that an unjust ruler would not or could not?  Hmmm....

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That's why characters like Jon, Dany... even the Hound, Jorah, the Nightswatch, the Brotherhood are all much more interesting... what they fight is much more "how it really is" than anything Bronn has ever fought for. They don't have a choice; it's fight or die. There is nothing more real than that. You can choose to not fight for money and go on your merry way... not so much when you fight against death itself.
Well, it's not strictly fight or die.  Running is an option.  It's entirely possible to say to yourself "Not my problem" and put enough distance between yourself and the undead threat that you could grow old and die in some pleasure house in Essos before the end of the world.  That's an attitude a lot of people would have, if not the means.  Facing the problem head-on is extremely heroic.  It's also nearly suicidal.  Fight or die could be accurately amended to "fight and die".  Heroes have longer tales than lives, unfortunately.

I had hoped the Knights of the Mind (the Maesters of the Citadel) would play a larger role in this conflict.  "Scientia imperii decus et tutamen", after all.  Apparently not.  More's the pity.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 30, 2017, 05:39:58 AM
On season 8 (season 7 spoiler)

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Sal1981 on August 30, 2017, 07:25:33 PM
Season 7 finale:
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 30, 2017, 09:18:12 PM
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I am 100% behind this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 30, 2017, 09:37:33 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 31, 2017, 11:09:55 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
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I'm loving this season so far.

Is that STILL on?  I just watch science and history dvds
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 31, 2017, 12:15:09 PM
Is that STILL on?  I just watch science and history dvds

Lol. You make it sound like GoT isn't real history.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 31, 2017, 12:34:00 PM
Nitpicky criticisms of s7e7 from Preston Jacobs:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 31, 2017, 12:53:11 PM
Nitpicky criticisms of s7e7 from Preston Jacobs:

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As to the first thing. I said that before too. And I agree.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 31, 2017, 01:03:58 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 31, 2017, 01:13:41 PM
One last nitpick from Preston Jacobs:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
Spoilers are OK for me.  I never watched the show.  Never watched Dallas either.  Give me a science show or a few dvds and I'm good for the evening...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on August 31, 2017, 04:15:06 PM
Spoilers are OK for me.  I never watched the show.  Never watched Dallas either.  Give me a science show or a few dvds and I'm good for the evening...
But think of all the hours watching the show, discussing the show, watching youtube reviews, discussing those reviews, reading the books, discussing the books, playing the games, etc.

Oh my god, when this series wraps up (both TV and book), I'm going to have to do some serious searching for entertainment to fill that gap.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on September 01, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on September 02, 2017, 12:33:53 AM
The family of Caesar from Julius and Mark Anthony thru Nero were ... messed up like that.  Inbred.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on September 03, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJptaHqta1Q

Showed this to my mom.  She watched the first half and remarked, "What a nice young man.  You should be more like him."

(https://a1.memecaptain.com/src_thumbs/2919.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on September 04, 2017, 02:37:56 AM
But think of all the hours watching the show, discussing the show, watching youtube reviews, discussing those reviews, reading the books, discussing the books, playing the games, etc.

Oh my god, when this series wraps up (both TV and book), I'm going to have to do some serious searching for entertainment to fill that gap.

I'm sure the syndication will last forever.  I watched an original Star Trek last night (the Horta one).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2017, 07:23:10 AM
I'm sure the syndication will last forever.  I watched an original Star Trek last night (the Horta one).

"Damn it Jim!  I'm not a bricklayer!"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on September 04, 2017, 10:07:55 AM
"Damn it Jim!  I'm not a bricklayer!"

Yep, gotta love Bones.

Dem bones dem bones, those DRY bones...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pr126 on September 04, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/09/this-gorgeous-vfx-reel-shows-how-game-of-thrones-army-of-wights-came-to-life/

https://vimeo.com/232009905
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on September 04, 2017, 08:48:51 PM
I'm sure the syndication will last forever.  I watched an original Star Trek last night (the Horta one).
Plus, there's always fanfiction (aka seasons 5-7).

Joking aside, I contemplated a short story that takes place in season 2 about two peasant brothers who have an intense sibling rivalry partially due to a strict, demanding father and partially due to mutual antagonism.  The two brothers join different sides in the Stannis-Renly rivalry (as common footmen) and feud with each other in much the same way as their lieges.  Will they be consumed with anger and end up murdering each other?  Or will they find another way of resolving their differences?  Find out!  (Maybe.  Probably not.)

Think of it as a day in the limelight (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ADayInTheLimelight).  Those are often fascinating, imo.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 05:59:32 AM
Plus, there's always fanfiction (aka seasons 5-7).

Joking aside, I contemplated a short story that takes place in season 2 about two peasant brothers who have an intense sibling rivalry partially due to a strict, demanding father and partially due to mutual antagonism.  The two brothers join different sides in the Stannis-Renly rivalry (as common footmen) and feud with each other in much the same way as their lieges.  Will they be consumed with anger and end up murdering each other?  Or will they find another way of resolving their differences?  Find out!  (Maybe.  Probably not.)

Think of it as a day in the limelight (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ADayInTheLimelight).  Those are often fascinating, imo.

I just skimmed a newspaer review of GoT.  Sounds like Hound and Mountain...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on October 21, 2017, 02:22:55 PM
https://youtu.be/KGLia03PjII
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2017, 05:40:57 PM
That was really good!  The Japanese people (or style) is always interesting to me.  And of course if a story has swords or dragons ... Japanese folk must like it too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on October 21, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFUtVmIIAxM

I dunno about Pod, but I mostly agree with this.

* At least one main character should die. Probably Bronn.
* Dany should have difficulty maintaining her alliance (Davos and Tyrion should've not gotten along well, same with Tyrion and the Sand Snakes, Theon and Jon Snow, etc)
* Cersei should've blamed the Sept's destruction on Dany, though of course there would be whispers otherwise.
* Stannis would've had a small garrison on Dragonstone (because duh).  Mel would hand it over to Dany's forces without a fight because she has seen in her flames that Dany will fight the Others.
* Sam would be quarantined with Jorah for his unauthorized and incredibly dangerous greyscale surgery.  During the quarantine, they would have a heart-to-heart and Jorah would swear to advise Dany to fight the others.  Sam would stay at the citadel.
* Jon, with Jorah's help, would eventually convince Dany of the white walker threat.
* Instead of the incredibly stupid plan to capture a wight, Dany would fly out to see for herself.  After glimpsing the white walker army, she tries to assassinate the Night's King, attacking in tandem with the Fellowship (Jon, Tormund, etc)  It fails partly because Dany was overconfident, much to Jon's dismay.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: pr126 on October 26, 2017, 02:23:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFdbx8YT4dQ
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on October 27, 2017, 02:49:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFdbx8YT4dQ

"“It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.” ― Arthur C. Clarke"

Said the Tasmanian Devil to the Modern Human...  LOL!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 15, 2019, 10:34:13 AM
It's back!  And I've already seen like 16% of the season.  :(

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: _Xenu_ on April 15, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
Well, Jon officially knows his lineage now. This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 16, 2019, 08:30:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aSfGmka.jpg)


I'm going to miss this show so much when it wraps up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on April 18, 2019, 07:04:16 AM
No dis to those who love the show.

But I have often wondered about the attraction of Popular Shows.  There are so many I never bothered to watch (wanting to get actual stuff done).  I never watched a single episode of Charlie's Angels, Dallas, and so many others.  And Game Of Thrones is the same.  Is it that they give you something to to talk about with friends?  Office break time talk?  Social references?

I'm not completely immune; I always watched M*A*S*H but that was mostly because of the anti-war message.  And Star Trek because of the newness and ethical messages.  I don't get most of the others.  What am I missing?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 18, 2019, 07:37:53 AM
Is it that they give you something to to talk about with friends?  Office break time talk?  Social references?

I'm not completely immune; I always watched M*A*S*H but that was mostly because of the anti-war message.  And Star Trek because of the newness and ethical messages.  I don't get most of the others.  What am I missing?
First, it's like Lord of the Rings (epic scope) but with a much more pessimistic tone (the heroes don't always win, people don't always make the right choices, people suffer calamity, etc). There's also a bit of tension because characters can and will die left and right, characters that you likely will care about.

There's enough character variety that you absolutely will bond with a character - they'll remind you of yourself or a family member or friend.  I guarantee you, you will root for someone and you'll want tune in just to see more of that person's story.

Mysteries abound.  Less so as the series has progressed, but even on the last season, there are still huge revelations to be had.

Sex and violence - apparently people like that.

Big budget polish - a lot of the time, fantasy and sci-fi shows don't get enough funding and it shows.  GoT has always gotten enough funding for great setwork, gorgeous costumes, impressive dragons, so-so actors, 2.5 seconds of Ghost, and exactly one Targarean wig.  (I kid, but the show really is visually stunning.)

And there is a message underneath all of that - a very strong egalitarian, anti-war message throughout the show.  Westeroes is dying as petty lords and ladies sqabble over some crown.  A corrupt ruler carries out petty revenges as the country bleeds.  Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on April 18, 2019, 08:20:08 AM
First, it's like Lord of the Rings (epic scope) but with a much more pessimistic tone (the heroes don't always win, people don't always make the right choices, people suffer calamity, etc). There's also a bit of tension because characters can and will die left and right, characters that you likely will care about.

There's enough character variety that you absolutely will bond with a character - they'll remind you of yourself or a family member or friend.  I guarantee you, you will root for someone and you'll want tune in just to see more of that person's story.

Mysteries abound.  Less so as the series has progressed, but even on the last season, there are still huge revelations to be had.

Sex and violence - apparently people like that.

Big budget polish - a lot of the time, fantasy and sci-fi shows don't get enough funding and it shows.  GoT has always gotten enough funding for great setwork, gorgeous costumes, impressive dragons, so-so actors, 2.5 seconds of Ghost, and exactly one Targarean wig.  (I kid, but the show really is visually stunning.)

And there is a message underneath all of that - a very strong egalitarian, anti-war message throughout the show.  Westeroes is dying as petty lords and ladies sqabble over some crown.  A corrupt ruler carries out petty revenges as the country bleeds.  Sound familiar?

Hmm, I may have missed out on that assuming it was a drama crap.  I originally heard it was an endless series of people getting killed off.

I assume it can be binge-watched?  Where?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 18, 2019, 10:04:43 AM
Hmm, I may have missed out on that assuming it was a drama crap.  I originally heard it was an endless series of people getting killed off.
That's not entirely incorrect - it's just not the whole story.

Imo, the series is 35% worldbuilding/lore, 35% plotting and scheming, 10% horrific violence, 10% speeches, 5% T and A, and the remaining 5% is Sam and Gilly tedium (It feels longer than it actually is)

If that's up your alley, go for it.

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Legally, I can only say to stream it on HBO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: _Xenu_ on April 18, 2019, 10:26:01 AM
You don't have to have an HBO cable subscription or anything, you can get their online service stand alone for $14.99 a month. If you happen to have HBO with a cable package, contact your service provider and they will help you out.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 18, 2019, 01:17:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ppLtHbag4

Fun fact:  there actually is a character named Elmo in Game of Thrones.  Elmo Tully, he doesn't make an appearance, he's just mentioned in passing.  More of an easter egg than anything else.

Also, in a different scene, Big Bird became a wight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on April 18, 2019, 01:39:57 PM
That's not entirely incorrect - it's just not the whole story.

Imo, the series is 35% worldbuilding/lore, 35% plotting and scheming, 10% horrific violence, 10% speeches, 5% T and A, and the remaining 5% is Sam and Gilly tedium (It feels longer than it actually is)

If that's up your alley, go for it.
Legally, I can only say to stream it on HBO.

Thanks, but if I ever get HBO, it will be for Bill Maher.  Best since George Carlin...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Unbeliever on April 18, 2019, 01:46:25 PM
No dis to those who love the show.

But I have often wondered about the attraction of Popular Shows.  There are so many I never bothered to watch (wanting to get actual stuff done).  I never watched a single episode of Charlie's Angels, Dallas, and so many others.  And Game Of Thrones is the same.  Is it that they give you something to to talk about with friends?  Office break time talk?  Social references?

I'm not completely immune; I always watched M*A*S*H but that was mostly because of the anti-war message.  And Star Trek because of the newness and ethical messages.  I don't get most of the others.  What am I missing?


I haven't seen any GoT either, but I've seen a few clips of it at youtube. It's pretty intense, I guess, and people like living vicarious lives through the fictions of our modern times. They need drama in their boring lives, and it's better to get it from the Lannisters, et al, than their next-door neighbors.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Unbeliever on April 18, 2019, 01:53:56 PM
Hmm, I may have missed out on that assuming it was a drama crap.  I originally heard it was an endless series of people getting killed off.

I assume it can be binge-watched?  Where?


One of James Corden's writers had never seen any of it, and so they locked him in a room and made him watch 67 hours of nothing but Game of Thrones! I doubt he'll ever be the same again...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqNT13ywnI8
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on April 18, 2019, 02:45:49 PM

One of James Corden's writers had never seen any of it, and so they locked him in a room and made him watch 67 hours of nothing but Game of Thrones! I doubt he'll ever be the same again...


You couldn't pay me enough money to do that.  But I'm reminded of Abraham Lincoln and a bribery attempt when he was a mere lawyer.  I searched all through the internet and could not find it, though the most promising site was all lincoln anecdotes here:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2517/2517-h/2517-h.htm#link2H_4_0004  you all may find the stories amazing and/or interesting.

But as I recall the story, Lincoln was approached by an opposing attorney who offered him some serious money to drop the case.  Lincoln said "no".

The man then said, "Look, every man has his price".  Lincoln said he was not bribable.  The man doubled his offer.  Lincoln said "no" again.  After that, the man tripled his offer.  Lincoln grabbed the man and threw him down the stairs. 

The man said "Why did you do THAT?"  Lincoln said "You were getting near my price"!

There are things I might watch if constrained or forced by company.  But the price would be high, LOL!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 18, 2019, 02:47:57 PM

One of James Corden's writers had never seen any of it, and so they locked him in a room and made him watch 67 hours of nothing but Game of Thrones! I doubt he'll ever be the same again...
I know that 67 hours sounds like a lot, but that's almost 3 days worth of episodes released over the course of 8 years.

If my math is correct, you could watch as little as 70 seconds of GoT per day and get all caught up by the season 8 premier if you start microdosing on the same day as the series premier.  (Seasons 1-7 runtime = 3,393 minutes.  April 17, 2011 to April 18, 2019 = 2923 days.)

The book series is where the real challenge is at!  A lot of show-watchers who are unfazed by 3,393 minutes of show-watching balk at the idea of having to sit down and read all 5 books.

But the book series is a mere(!) 4,228 pages published over the course of 8295 days.  Let's assume that all five books were published on the same day and you're a super slow reader who can only read a single page a day.  You'd be all caught up by the end of February, 2008.  You'd have over a decade to sit on your hands and wait for new material!

It's entirely possible (but difficult) to read the whole thing in a year - just read 12 pages a day!  Or take your time and leisurely knock it out over the course of a few years.

The point is, people look at the total numbers and freak out, when really it's completely manageable.  A journey of a thousand miles...

...will take you less than three years if you walk at a leisurely pace of just a mile per day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 18, 2019, 03:38:06 PM
You couldn't pay me enough money to do that.
People have done a lot worse things for money.  Most of us here know at least a little of that pain.  Getting paid to watch TV - any TV - instead would be a godsend.

But binging is inherently unhealthy - people need sleep and exercise and decent nutrition.  Plus, it kinda ruins the experience - you don't get any time to process what you're watching and after time, boredom sets in and you don't enjoy it anymore.

The focus shouldn't be finishing a show as quickly as possible, but enjoying a show as much as possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on April 18, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
There are Indian TV shows with over 100 episodes.  I will be reincarnated before I can get to the end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 19, 2019, 05:05:41 AM
That's not entirely incorrect - it's just not the whole story.

Imo, the series is 35% worldbuilding/lore, 35% plotting and scheming, 10% horrific violence, 10% speeches, 5% T and A, and the remaining 5% is Sam and Gilly tedium (It feels longer than it actually is)

If that's up your alley, go for it.
Legally, I can only say to stream it on HBO.

I don't mind Sam and gilly, tbh.
I like Sam and gilly. Don't need more than the show provides, but I never mind checking in with them.
I think Sam is one of the characters I 'bonded' with. Along ser Davos, book Stannis, Jon, Brienne and tyrion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 19, 2019, 06:42:48 AM
At this point, I only really care about Varys, Davos, and Brienne.  Mel as well to a small degree.

I used to like way more characters but they either died or became uninteresting.

Bran and Arya have both dramatically changed, and not in a good way imo.  Tryion has lost almost all of his charm.  Jon is kinda hit-and-miss, and I think I'm starting to hate both Sansa and Dany (seriously, what do dragons eat?).  I never liked Cersei and she's gone way downhill into cartoonish villiany along with Euron.  I weep for show-only fans who don't know book Euron.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 19, 2019, 06:52:41 AM
At this point, I only really care about Varys, Davos, and Brienne.  Mel as well to a small degree.

I used to like way more characters but they either died or became uninteresting.

Bran and Arya have both dramatically changed, and not in a good way imo.  Tryion has lost almost all of his charm.  Jon is kinda hit-and-miss, and I think I'm starting to hate both Sansa and Dany (seriously, what do dragons eat?).  I never liked Cersei and she's gone way downhill into cartoonish villiany along with Euron.  I weep for show-only fans who don't know book Euron.

I never found book arya all that interesting, which was odd because most people did. Trudging through her escapades as she fled from kings landing trying to reach home, up till the point she left westeros, were always a bit of a bore to me, for some reason. The actress did a good job in those parts, mindyou. In the show she kind of made the reverse from interesting to less interesting.
I still like Jon and Dany, in the show. But I get what you mean. I haven.'t yet seen season 8 (waiting for the gf to catch UP). But I know what you mean. The show characters made bad decisions for the sake of the plot.
Here is to hoping the book will someday come and do them justice
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 19, 2019, 04:54:38 PM
I never found book arya all that interesting, which was odd because most people did. Trudging through her escapades as she fled from kings landing trying to reach home, up till the point she left westeros, were always a bit of a bore to me, for some reason. The actress did a good job in those parts, mindyou. In the show she kind of made the reverse from interesting to less interesting.
Book Arya spends too much time in Braavos doing nothing.  Same thing happened in the show.  But her Winds of Winter chapter is fire.  A man is impressed!

So there's hope for book Arya still.  Show Arya, not so much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 19, 2019, 04:57:00 PM
(https://i.redd.it/dr76pb0zf4t21.jpg)

Tywin: Am I a joke to you?

Plus, Sansa has a whole laundry list of mistakes and misjudgements.

Imho, Hot Pie is the true smartest person in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munch on April 19, 2019, 07:09:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puxjtmU7H70
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 22, 2019, 05:04:25 PM
https://youtu.be/l2ppLtHbag4
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2019, 10:59:07 PM
^

(https://i.imgur.com/Zl2D6GT.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: _Xenu_ on April 22, 2019, 11:04:28 PM
https://youtu.be/l2ppLtHbag4
Cercie would put that annoying puppets head on a pig pole unless it occurred to her to send it downstairs for medical experimentation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2019, 11:18:09 PM
Season 8 Episode 2:

I really liked it.  Very nice prelude.  I wish it had been rolled together with episode 1 to make an actually cinematic-length episode, but whatevs.

I'm also relieved and glad that characters are having actually heartfelt conversations now.  Episode 1 was very quippy and it honestly had me worried that the writers decided that Marvelesqe two-liners would suffice for dialogue from here on out.

These actually good conversations are interesting in that characters are finally sitting down and voicing their concerns as adults rather than acting out.  And a great deal of it seems like reddit-inspired dialogue where characters are behaving as if they remember the past as well as making reasonable inferences from past behavior and making the sorts of criticisms their characters would naturally make (Dany especially).  It nearly seems like a character-driven show once again.

Also, I love the setwork.  I can tell the crew went through a great deal of effort to portray a decent medieval defensive line.  It looked quite painstaking, and I appreciate that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 22, 2019, 11:32:29 PM
Now, for the criticisms:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 23, 2019, 12:01:03 AM
Death predictions for next episode:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on April 23, 2019, 12:50:32 AM
Arya's young, we try not to sexualize her.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: _Xenu_ on April 23, 2019, 12:20:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=347&v=dhWUFXvaZjo
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 23, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Arya's young, we try not to sexualize her.
I half expected to see the police outside my apartment during that scene, lol.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/805/961/7d6.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 23, 2019, 10:35:37 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 29, 2019, 01:23:47 AM
Well, that was the most metal episode of GoT that I have ever seen.  It surpassed Hardhome for sure.  I have some minor grievances, but the main plot structure was solid and it hit all the right beats.

Also, my predictions were right and wrong.  And the community as a whole erred significantly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 29, 2019, 04:38:33 AM
Helping the gf catch up with got before we watch season 8. We watched hardhome yesterday. Easily one of my favorite episodes.
You're making me curious for the final season mate
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on April 29, 2019, 08:23:18 AM
All I can say about the 3rd ep is that I am impressed. It was much better than I expected. Well done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: _Xenu_ on April 29, 2019, 10:41:13 AM
The episode was too chaotic for me, and too dark to view most of the time. I could not keep track of what was going on. I hope now that the Night King is dealt with, we can return to the more interesting realpolitik that defines the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 29, 2019, 10:56:22 AM
I hope now that (spoilers!), we can return to the more interesting realpolitik that defines the series.
Oh my sweet summer child...

Realpolitik was seasons 1-4, maybe a little of 5 if you stretch it.  This series went full Hollywood long ago - long, silent stares instead of dialogue (d&d eat that stuff up), plot armor galore, and extremely contrived events pushing the plot forwards.  (Basically, the polar opposite of the asoiaf book series)

In fact, I already have a good idea of what's going to happen at King's Landing and how the show will wrap up.  It's been telegraphed for a few seasons now.  I'll post it in a few days.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on April 29, 2019, 01:46:55 PM
I agree. Nevertheless, the so called criticism of the last episode is largely idiotic. I think, people start to live in these fanstay worlds and miss a lot from a very close angle. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: aitm on April 29, 2019, 09:22:54 PM
I have been devoted to many, many series over my few years but for the life of me I cannot understand the fascination to a show where people go fucking beside themselves over. Fuck man its a TV show. Take your hands off yer nads and let them breath.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 29, 2019, 11:55:55 PM
I agree. Nevertheless, the so called criticism of the last episode is largely idiotic. I think, people start to live in these fanstay worlds and miss a lot from a very close angle.
I dunno what exactly you're referring to, but I think people are mostly bummed about White Walkers being built up so much for so long and then their confrontation fell short of expectations.  Especially since this seems like the sort of battle that should've been the grand finale, not the penultimate battle.

I don't know exactly what you're getting at with the last sentence, but generally people are okay with magic and whatever fantasy elements the author brings to the table as long as there's a consistent logic to it.  With GoT, there are a few main rules:

1) No character is safe - any character can die at any time.  If you get in over your head, you're very likely to kick the bucket and no white wizard is going to come riding in to save you.  This isn't to say that it's strike one and you're dead - just that mistakes tend to have brutal and long-lasting consequences.
2) History matters - family history informs character motivations, everyone from Theon to Tywin to Dany seems to be at least partially defined by their family's past.  This is why we get very lengthy sections (hell, even a whole book) on family history.
3) Political scheming - much of the things that happen and don't happen are really the handiwork of advisors and influence-mongers, not their royals and lords.  This is part of the reason why every house has a shitton of characters.
4) Magic is powerful but rare and incredibly dangerous
5) Unreliable narration
6) Prophecy is suspect - GRRM fills his books with prophecy, but following from the above, we can't completely trust prophecy.  Prophecies are ambiguous (a point hammered home by the "prince" that was promised), characters can misinterpret things, there are definitely charlatans (mummer's dragon), and there's the distinct possibility that it might all be bullshit.

In season 8 so far, we have a surprisingly high number of safe characters, very little on history (despite prime real estate for some major revelations), borderline-to-nonexistent scheming, and absolutely zilch on prophecy.  Suffice is to say that there's a very different tone and purpose between what I've been reading and what I've been watching.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on April 30, 2019, 03:51:36 PM
I dunno what exactly you're referring to, but I think people are mostly bummed about White Walkers being built up so much for so long and then their confrontation fell short of expectations.  Especially since this seems like the sort of battle that should've been the grand finale, not the penultimate battle.

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With GoT, there are a few main rules:

1) No character is safe - any character can die at any time.  If you get in over your head, you're very likely to kick the bucket and no white wizard is going to come riding in to save you.  This isn't to say that it's strike one and you're dead - just that mistakes tend to have brutal and long-lasting consequences.
2) History matters - family history informs character motivations, everyone from Theon to Tywin to Dany seems to be at least partially defined by their family's past.  This is why we get very lengthy sections (hell, even a whole book) on family history.
3) Political scheming - much of the things that happen and don't happen are really the handiwork of advisors and influence-mongers, not their royals and lords.  This is part of the reason why every house has a shitton of characters.
4) Magic is powerful but rare and incredibly dangerous
5) Unreliable narration
6) Prophecy is suspect - GRRM fills his books with prophecy, but following from the above, we can't completely trust prophecy.  Prophecies are ambiguous (a point hammered home by the "prince" that was promised), characters can misinterpret things, there are definitely charlatans (mummer's dragon), and there's the distinct possibility that it might all be bullshit.

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In season 8 so far, we have a surprisingly high number of safe characters, very little on history (despite prime real estate for some major revelations), borderline-to-nonexistent scheming, and absolutely zilch on prophecy.  Suffice is to say that there's a very different tone and purpose between what I've been reading and what I've been watching.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: aitm on April 30, 2019, 03:54:23 PM
you peeps get way too involved in this....criminy.....I have never spent this much time talking about ALL the shows I have ever seen. Tis entertainment, not life across "in a different dimension".....er.....at least I hope not.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on April 30, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
you peeps get way too involved in this....criminy.....I have never spent this much time talking about ALL the shows I have ever seen. Tis entertainment, not life across "in a different dimension".....er.....at least I hope not.

I just watch the show. Actually, I was just telling Hydra that this is the first time I looked around what people are saying about the show. There is too much material with this one. It's grift, mythic, detailed...surprising...also insipired by 'real' myths. We didn't even get into it.

Also, we are nerds AND geeks. You are aware of that right?

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on April 30, 2019, 05:54:26 PM
you peeps get way too involved in this....criminy.....I have never spent this much time talking about ALL the shows I have ever seen. Tis entertainment, not life across "in a different dimension".....er.....at least I hope not.
A bit strange to complain about GoT discussion in a thread specifically made to discuss GoT, lol.  I guess everyone has a hobby, though some are far more wothwhile than others.

But now that you mention it, I generally watch the episode, watch an average of 5 videos dissecting it (totaling about twice the runtime of the episode), chat it up with friends for about an hour, then discuss it here in 1-3 posts.  So yeah, it's a pretty hefty time committment.

But bear in mind that this is an enormously popular water-cooler type show.  Those don't come all that often.  It's quite an experience.

And when the show isn't on, I watch theory videos and read the books.  How long does that take?  Well, it Varys.  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: aitm on May 02, 2019, 04:30:07 PM
:P~
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 03, 2019, 08:24:49 PM
(https://i.redd.it/cubm7q5lrvv21.jpg)

I'd buy him a horn of milk.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on May 04, 2019, 02:34:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OWFAblCmy4

Drum n' Bass is very hit and miss for me, but the novelty of this one is pretty good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 06, 2019, 12:58:20 AM
8x4

Me during the first half:  well, this is boring

Me during the second half:  *uncontrollable screaming*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: _Xenu_ on May 06, 2019, 08:43:17 AM
Now that Cersie is back, feels like a return to form. This is not going to end well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 06, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
Really? OK, I am getting to it.

E: Oh well...yeah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 06, 2019, 12:01:12 PM
I've gotta say, shippers DEFINITELY didn't enjoy that episode.

I'm still holding out hope for a couple of couples, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 06, 2019, 12:33:21 PM
I've gotta say, shippers DEFINITELY didn't enjoy that episode.

Whenever I watch pirate movies, I want to be extra in a scene like that. Probably, nothing realistic, but looks so much fun.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 06, 2019, 12:37:21 PM
Whenever I watch pirate movies, I want to be extra in a scene like that. Probably, nothing realistic, but looks so much fun.
I would've given my left kidney to be a Team Stannis extra.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/f4/65/a5f46503a2507982e4f896b3799cb32e.jpg)

Pirate movies are good too, but it would probably be really disappointing to not really be at sea.  But ones actually filmed at sea would be a blast.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 06, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
Pirate movies are good too, but it would probably be really disappointing to not really be at sea.  But ones actually filmed at sea would be a blast.

Yeah probably, lol. We'd get soaked in any case though. What do you call that in English I couldn't find it, when pirates/sailors fly into the ships with ropes!

Also being a zombie extra in Walking Dead would be real fun too.

I'd love to be in an army like that, but probably even the props would be heavy for me. Also I am a little higher than a meter and a half. lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 06, 2019, 01:15:39 PM
People claim this is real. Is it? Can't be, can it?



(https://i.redd.it/up03fl0r8jw21.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 06, 2019, 01:29:25 PM
What do you call that in English I couldn't find it, when pirates/sailors fly into the ships with ropes!
Boarding, maybe?  Though that doesn't necessarily mean they're using ropes.  I don't think there's a word for that exactly, and there really should be considering how frequent it is in tv/film.

People claim this is real. Is it? Can't be, can it?
I highly doubt it.  But I'll check it out later.  Honestly, that scene was so tedious that I got up for a drink myself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 06, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
Boarding, maybe?  Though that doesn't necessarily mean they're using ropes.  I don't think there's a word for that exactly, and there really should be considering how frequent it is in tv/film.

Oh my god, of course it is boarding. LOL It's completely different in my mother language and for some reason I thought it would be a special term in English. 

Boarding is also used positive, in Turkish 'bordoloma' is only used for attacking a ship that way from a ship.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 06, 2019, 01:43:35 PM
OK, in military, it is abrest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 06, 2019, 02:24:22 PM
Spoilers for s8e3

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Post by: drunkenshoe on May 06, 2019, 04:01:19 PM
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 06, 2019, 04:22:38 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 06, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
And one final thing about s8e3:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 12, 2019, 05:54:58 PM
I should probably go ahead and give my prediction on the end of the show before the last two episodes air:

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/ea3785dc9c6dc87f0e0dcc7239ddf0bf/tumblr_pknkdffa7p1ubsr6r_540.jpg)

(I'm aware that there are leaks, but I have not read any of them nor do I intend to.)

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 01:38:02 AM
s8ep5: the penultimate episode

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Shiranu on May 13, 2019, 01:50:58 AM
I have to be honest... I haven't watched this season at all, but instead am just reading summaries, but...

Damn, the show-writers seem lost as fuck without G.R.R.M.'s doing the heavy lifting for them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 08:39:12 AM
I have to be honest... I haven't watched this season at all, but instead am just reading summaries, but...

Damn, the show-writers seem lost as fuck without G.R.R.M.'s doing the heavy lifting for them.
The character motivations are confused af, some things happen because it would look cool or "subverts expectations", and some things don't happen only because they're not in the script.  Also, D&D/GRRM have a noticeable tendency to kill off characters when they don't know what to do with them anymore rather than them making some major mistake or karma catching up to them.

But overall, these episodes are shot well and do indeed look cool despite the character motivations being kind of borked.  And a lot of characters still had decent arcs.  And in a series with this many characters, it's amazing that they're able to wrap so many in the time that they have.

Imho, it's kind of a mixed bag, neither amazing nor terrible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 09:50:26 AM
I haven't watched this season at all, but instead am just reading summaries
The #1 reason why you should watch season 8:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=psS2IMFkxKo

GET HYPE
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
I have to be honest... I haven't watched this season at all
Reason #2 to watch is Dany.  We've always had two very different takes on Dany and I'd love to see your reaction now.  Hell, I'd buy tickets for that reaction video, lol.

Plus, it would make for a hell of a discussion on the nature of power and the obligations of rulers and ruled.  "It is excellent to have a dragon's strength..."

I am 100% with Varys and 1000% not sorry.  There's a reason he was always one of my favorite characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on May 13, 2019, 01:28:57 PM
Reason #2 to watch is Dany.  We've always had two very different takes on Dany and I'd love to see your reaction now.  Hell, I'd buy tickets for that reaction video, lol.

Plus, it would make for a hell of a discussion on the nature of power and the obligations of rulers and ruled.  "It is excellent to have a dragon's strength..."

I am 100% with Varys and 1000% not sorry.  There's a reason he was always one of my favorite characters.

Dany is trans-human.  So they way her mind works, isn't humanistic.  But I do feel for those who had her as a favorite character, and wanted a better end-arc for the final season.

Yes, Varys and Tyrion were favorite characters for me, thinking men, not muscle men.  But I love Arya too.  Not a Mary Sue, she has real skills earned the hard way.  Remind anyone of Assissin's Guild?
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 01:54:10 PM
Yes, Varys and Tyrion were favorite characters for me, thinking men, not muscle men.
You misspelled drinking.  :P
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Post by: Shiranu on May 13, 2019, 02:00:20 PM
Reason #2 to watch is Dany.  We've always had two very different takes on Dany and I'd love to see your reaction now.  Hell, I'd buy tickets for that reaction video, lol.

Plus, it would make for a hell of a discussion on the nature of power and the obligations of rulers and ruled.  "It is excellent to have a dragon's strength..."

I am 100% with Varys and 1000% not sorry.  There's a reason he was always one of my favorite characters.

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I am waiting for Cleganebowl to hit the Youtbes though, that is one of the main things I want to actually see vs read. And Varys was definitely one of my favorites as well... I cant think of many characters like him that actually had the good of the world as his main objective.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 02:53:58 PM
Also, I'd like to point out that Westeros before Aegon the Conqueror was a hot mess of perpetual conflict (though little appears to have changed in that regard)

Perhaps some sort of sectionalism might overall be better than nationalism.  Perhaps not.  That's a contentious issue both in GoT and real life.
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Post by: Shiranu on May 13, 2019, 03:30:24 PM
Also, I'd like to point out that Westeros before Aegon the Conqueror was a hot mess of perpetual conflict (though little appears to have changed in that regard)

Perhaps some sort of sectionalism might overall be better than nationalism.  Perhaps not.  That's a contentious issue both in GoT and real life.

True... but I think for a long while after all that has happened, everyone is going to be sick of fighting and just want to worry about themselves.

Of course, they might also think it's the perfect time to strike at their weaker enemies... or lack resources in their homelands. If anything, I will go back to Dorne... I think the world is really set up at this point for them to massively expand their power. Or the Iron Bank and Bravos...


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She definitely is, but I would also argue the overwhelming majority of her victims were either people who deserved it (slave owners, rebellions) or people who started legitimate wars with her when she offered them a peaceful solution.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 03:44:31 PM
True... but I think for a long while after all that has happened, everyone is going to be sick of fighting and just want to worry about themselves.
Absolutely.  That's the intent of the books, from what I can gather.

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Of course, they might also think it's the perfect time to strike at their weaker enemies... or lack resources in their homelands. If anything, I will go back to Dorne... I think the world is really set up at this point for them to massively expand their power. Or the Iron Bank and Bravos...
Dorne and the Vale are particularly well set up to expand their borders into the Reach and Riverlands, respectively.

With the power vacuum and resulting lawlessness in their borderlands, traveling merchants need to be protected from banditry.  Detachments of troops should be selflessly dispatched to patrol the roads and provide much-needed security to vulnerable travelers.  The de facto occupation of foreign lands would be an unfortunate - but temporary - consequence of this noble endeavor.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
She definitely is, but I would also argue the overwhelming majority of her victims were either people who deserved it (slave owners, rebellions) or people who started legitimate wars with her when she offered them a peaceful solution.
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Post by: GrinningYMIR on May 13, 2019, 07:46:47 PM
Best way of describing season 8 is either dumpster fire, or a show that has abandoned plot logic and character in order to achieve the end of the show
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 13, 2019, 08:04:49 PM
Best way of describing season 8 is either dumpster fire, or a show that has abandoned plot logic and character in order to achieve the end of the show
A little of column A, a little of column B...
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Post by: Baruch on May 14, 2019, 12:23:53 AM
I prefer Gandalf's view.  Don't be so quick to deal out death.  Being a monster is ... monstrous.  But becoming a monster, isn't a cure.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 14, 2019, 06:12:15 AM
I prefer Gandalf's view.  Don't be so quick to deal out death.
Great advice, and a central part of the GoT show/books.  There's a great scene in the book where a character confuses justice and revenge and many of the characters embody either revenge or justice.

We're meant to see the full results of vengeance and regret rooting for bloodshed in the first place.  In that at least, I think season 8 hit the mark.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 16, 2019, 02:21:56 PM
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 17, 2019, 11:27:30 PM
Scenes that I'm convinced happened offscreen, Part 1:

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Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 19, 2019, 06:11:48 PM
https://youtu.be/Z0ts_bfS--Y
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Post by: Sal1981 on May 19, 2019, 07:01:24 PM
Well, some 2 hours until the Finale on HBO.
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Post by: Sal1981 on May 19, 2019, 10:41:11 PM
Well, that was IMO a dull conclusion.

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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 01:04:01 AM
Series Finale

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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 01:13:17 AM
Well, that was IMO a dull conclusion.

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I agree.  6/10.  Predictable paired with nonsensical and unrealistic.  How drab.

Broadly, it keeps to the themes of the books, but that's about it has going for it.

As for your loose end...

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Post by: Baruch on May 20, 2019, 01:30:30 AM
Series Finale

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In other words, Take their hard earned gilt and F**k the fans ;-(  There is a lot of writing now, IMHO, where the author treats the readers as "deplorablea".

On the there hand I fully agree with this ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZVuY7qXNoI

Bran and the others can get burned to ash for all I care.  Death and life are inseparable partners.  The delusional deny this.

Arya is Ma'at, Egyptian goddess of justice.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 01:45:52 AM
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
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Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on May 20, 2019, 11:06:04 AM
WatchMoJo is poking the hornet's nest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhHTIO6SaYY

10. His Dark Matter.
("Golden Compass" world."

9. The Watch.
 (Ankh-Morpork PD)

8. The Dark Tower.
(Amazon looks to repair the damage the recent movie did to the series.)

7. The King Killer Chronicles
(Prequel to Kvothe.)

6. Chronicles of Narnia.
(Netflix has right to all seven novels, a first for anyone trying to do the books.)

5. The Wheels of Time
(Robert Jordan's series.)

4. Lovecraft Country.
('Nuff said.)

3. The Witcher
(Apparently a video game(?).)

2. Game of Thrones prequel
(Set in the Age of Heroes.)

1. Lord of the Rings
(Silmarillion sources? 2nd Age at least.)
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 11:46:17 AM
4. Lovecraft Country.
('Nuff said.)
I've never heard of this before, which is strange considering I gravitate towards Lovecraft stuff pretty heavily.  Racism + Lovecraftian horrors?  Meh, people have done worse with less.  I'm going to have to wait and see how this one shakes out before committing.

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(Apparently a video game(?).)
Oof.  Yes, it's an insanely popular video game series.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 07:22:00 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Unbeliever on May 20, 2019, 07:24:48 PM
Would any of you name your kids after GoT characters?
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 08:10:25 PM
Would any of you name your kids after GoT characters?
Yes.  Tormund.  Beric.  Jorah.  Lyanna.

All fine names.  Just nothing too complicated (Darnerys, Hizdahr zo Loraq) or a variant of an existing name (Jon, Petyr)
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 20, 2019, 08:14:44 PM
I hear some people may regret naming their kid after a mass murderer.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 10:55:54 PM
I hear some people may regret naming their kid after a mass murderer.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 20, 2019, 11:27:23 PM
Kind of a nitpick, but a (relatively) small problem with the finale episode before we even saw the first scene:

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Post by: Hydra009 on May 21, 2019, 12:15:13 AM
Scenes that must have happened offscreen, s8e6:

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Post by: Blackleaf on May 21, 2019, 01:40:36 PM
Oh. I guess I should use spoiler tags.

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Post by: Hydra009 on May 21, 2019, 02:17:53 PM
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Post by: Blackleaf on May 21, 2019, 02:20:18 PM
Kind of a nitpick, but a (relatively) small problem with the finale episode before we even saw the first scene:

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Post by: Baruch on May 21, 2019, 03:10:12 PM
Would any of you name your kids after GoT characters?

Arya sounds nice ;-)  Particularly at Hitler Youth meetings.
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 21, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbtgMkInvLs


Some people need counselors to help them cope?
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Post by: Shiranu on May 21, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
I always love JJ's opinions on things, and once again... yeah, his opinions are on point. Why the felt the need to clifnotes the last season rather than make it a 10-season series... one of the biggest dropped balls in T.V. history imo because of the cultural scale G.o.Ts is on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhDgsCIX_WQ&t=673s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhDgsCIX_WQ&t=673s)
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 21, 2019, 05:51:18 PM
I haven't seen a single episode of GoT, so it's all spoilers for me! LOL
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 21, 2019, 06:03:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgZmsaQroc&t=899s
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Post by: Shiranu on May 21, 2019, 06:29:37 PM

Edit: I also just looked at D&D's directing history... these dudes are complete ass. There is absolutely nothing in their history to indicate they have any real writing chops, and everything after the books kinda indicates that.



Also, apparently HBO approached them to do 10 seasons so it could be wrapped up correctly... they said no, they wanted to move on to other projects and only wanted to do 7... so instead of hiring new directors they fucking compromise on a half season?

I haven't been upset about this because I kinda fell off the GoT wagon awhile ago, but the more I learn about these dudes I'm getting legitimately pissed. If they had hired an even remotely decent director who could have been even half as good as G.R.R.M. (and wanted to direct the series), imagine how much better this would have been?

GoT might become one of the largest scale case study in how to ruin something amazing by improperly managing it, and that sucks ass.

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Post by: Baruch on May 21, 2019, 08:49:41 PM
I haven't seen a single episode of GoT, so it's all spoilers for me! LOL

Spoiler = humans are evil, even when they have neat dragons.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 21, 2019, 09:54:43 PM
Edit: I also just looked at D&D's directing history... these dudes are complete ass. There is absolutely nothing in their history to indicate they have any real writing chops, and everything after the books kinda indicates that.
Then you'd love a Youtube channel called The Dragon Demands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB70svbYtro

He goes over this stuff in excruciating detail and has been ringing the alarm about D&D for years.  A lot of it was really alarming stuff like D&D favoring non-dialogue wistful staring over dialogue (hence Dany's lack of lines despite ample screentime) or rewriting a relatively minor character (Ellaria Sand) to have much more screentime because they really liked the actor's emoting.  It wasn't till after the Season 5 Dorne plot that most of us fans saw the cracks in production and started taking these sorts of accusations seriously.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 21, 2019, 10:27:31 PM
I finally have an in-universe explanation for the events of Season 8:

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S&S are the true authors of this madness, not D&D.
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Post by: Cavebear on May 22, 2019, 05:02:30 AM
People have done a lot worse things for money.  Most of us here know at least a little of that pain.  Getting paid to watch TV - any TV - instead would be a godsend.

But binging is inherently unhealthy - people need sleep and exercise and decent nutrition.  Plus, it kinda ruins the experience - you don't get any time to process what you're watching and after time, boredom sets in and you don't enjoy it anymore.

The focus shouldn't be finishing a show as quickly as possible, but enjoying a show as much as possible.

Well, OK, I COULD be offered enough to watch some Game Of Thrones.  But I'd have to through you down the stairs first.  ;)
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Post by: Blackleaf on May 22, 2019, 10:04:50 PM
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 22, 2019, 10:33:46 PM
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Post by: sasuke on May 22, 2019, 11:01:39 PM
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 23, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
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Post by: Blackleaf on May 23, 2019, 12:40:46 AM
There's one thing I've been wondering for a while, and the series never gave a direct answer to it, most likely on purpose to leave some room for discussion. What is the nature of the gods? While most gods are silent, and may not exist, there are two gods we can confirm exist due to their influence. First is the God of Death, and the second is the Lord of Light. Appropriate, since the two seem to have opposite spheres and goals. Or do they?

One thing I wonder is if these two gods are in reality the same being. Think about what is associated with the Lord of Light. Sure, the god has the power to resurrect the dead, but it also demands human sacrifices. Seems a little odd that a god of life would demand death in exchange for its favors. The Red Lady, who is this god's representative, also uses magic to cast curses and summon dark shadowy monsters to assassinate enemies. This god chooses a man, says he's destined to become king, then lets him die in battle. Then that same god resurrects a second man, says he is destined to become king, and he gets banished. Is there really only the one god, playing both sides of the board, just fucking with everyone?
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 23, 2019, 08:55:48 AM
I dunno about the show, but for the book series, GRRM says that we'll never really get concrete answers on the gods or the truths of the religions.

While things certainly seem supernatural, they may not be in reality.  Arya's face changing is likely a glamor (a sort of illusion that a perceptive person can see through), Mel's magic is at least partially illusion, skinchanging/greensight is real but it's not necessarily linked to a god, and finally, there's blood magic.  Very little is definitively known about this.  We know little about Rhllor and virtually nothing about The Great Other.

A running theme in GRRM's books is for nonhumans with powerful abilities to pose as Gods and trick humans into fighting for them against other humans.

Fans have speculated for years that the children of the forest - rather than being benevolent mentors of humanity like most nature races are depicted - are actually trying to wipe out humanity and are trying to control Bran in order to use him to control other humans.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 23, 2019, 10:40:35 AM
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Post by: Baruch on May 23, 2019, 01:47:55 PM
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Being ascetic on food, drink and sex, lets a person build up their "tamas" or vedic power.  If you want the closest modern analogy with a polytheist GoT ... you have to go with Hinduism.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 23, 2019, 06:02:44 PM
Fan script doctor for s8e3:

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Edit - bigger version of the same image for better readability:

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Post by: Hydra009 on May 23, 2019, 07:48:21 PM
The Game of Thrones fandom wiki has some real gems in their notes about each episode:

(s8e6 spoiler)

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Post by: Shiranu on May 23, 2019, 09:04:11 PM
Fan script doctor for s8e3:

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Bruuuuuuh
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 23, 2019, 09:23:46 PM
Bruuuuuuh
I know, right?  And there a dozens and dozens more just like that.

And I would give my 3rd kidney to for any one of these fan scripts to be on screen.  Hell, I have literally come up better writing for this show off the top of my head while watching this show.  And unless D&D and the many, many people who worked with them on GoT are running their operation out of their basement, they definitely have the advantage.

This stuff is so maddeningly frustrating.  It's like baking a masterful tiered wedding cake and nailing the first 4 layers and then sloppily shoving the next two on it and then chucking a bowling ball on top.  It's such a colossal waste of talent and effort.
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 25, 2019, 04:04:17 PM
So.  Gf anD I finally got to 'got season 8'
Watched the first to ep. Not sure where the hate is coming from. Top tier got? Nah, but perfectly serviceable so far.
IMHO.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 25, 2019, 05:27:20 PM
So.  Gf anD I finally got to 'got season 8'
Watched the first to ep. Not sure where the hate is coming from. Top tier got? Nah, but perfectly serviceable so far.
IMHO.
Ep1 is okay.  Ep2 is excellent.  It's in episode 3 and after that it starts falling apart.
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 25, 2019, 05:29:53 PM
Ep1 is okay.  Ep2 is excellent.  It's in episode 3 and after that it starts falling apart.

Just finished ep 3 with the gf

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Other than that, we enjoyed it quite a lot.

And I've heard cleganebowl is still on the horizon, so. There's that.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 25, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
And I've heard cleganebowl is still on the horizon, so. There's that.
GET HYPE
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Post by: Blackleaf on May 25, 2019, 11:30:06 PM
Season 8 is definitely one of those things that seems fine on first viewing, but starts showing its cracks as soon as you stop to think about what's happening.
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Post by: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 04:29:34 AM
Season 8 is definitely one of those things that seems fine on first viewing, but starts showing its cracks as soon as you stop to think about what's happening.

Why would you want to see it more than once? ;-)
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Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 26, 2019, 05:22:08 AM
Season 8 is definitely one of those things that seems fine on first viewing, but starts showing its cracks as soon as you stop to think about what's happening.

Well that's the same with everything, though innit?
You could say that about season 1 of the same show.
You could say that about any show.

Honestly, I'm thinking exactly because I heard so much crap of the eight season, it's actually alright for now. I'm watching it later than everyone else and thus have lower expectations than those watching it when it came out.

Also, I'm thinking a part, not all mind you, but a part of the hate season 8 is getting, (because the first episodes were also getting lots of hate when they came out, I remember,) is because it's not turning out the way people want. But that's kind of the point of GOT, and has been a part of its staple. But at this point, we've all spent way too much time and effort on disecting and analyzing this show so that any fantheory or prediction or, to us logical consequence, that doesn't follow in the show, is a betrayal of the source material and a drop of the ball by D&D. Generally, it seems to me, the more invested one is in GOT the more outraged they are with the final seasons.
And yes, I agree: outrunning the books and thus working without ample source material influenced the show poorly. The first seasons ARE better. They really are. But I also notice that all of the book readers seemed more judgemental over the later, source-less seasons. (While D&D still knew all the events and had access abound to GRR Martin.) Now, I'm also a book reader. But I read them once, and I started after season one of GOT came out. After that I read the books and was never surprised again untill the show went past them. But imagine earlier readers. People who've been following GOT for ages, since it first came out. Who've been waiting for the winds of winter for nigh on a decade. All the while analyzing, making connections, theorizing and predicting... And still, no matter how you sliced it, most were wrong about a lot of things. Add to that that no show was ever going to satisfy them. I doubt the actual book even could after that time. That's bound to lead to a frustration that gets in the way of simple viewing pleasure.
In short, GOT was a phenomenon that swept all of us up. And those of us who lost ourselves so much that we thought we could  predict it,  were most angry of all when that image of ourselves fell short.

At least, that's what I think for now. I still have three episodes to go that can dissapoint the heck out of me.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 26, 2019, 06:59:47 AM
Well that's the same with everything, though innit?
You could say that about season 1 of the same show.
You could say that about any show.
No, one can nitpick about good movies/TV and find weird errors, but that's a totally different pony from glaring flaws like poor characterization, aborted character arcs, and improper setup for big twists that don't make much sense.

This isn't like "Luke Skywalker is a skilled pilot right off the bat, how strange!" And more like "The rebels kinda forgot about the Empire" and "Han Solo says I know to Leia because he just wants her to be quiet while he thinks about Tetris" and "C3PO kills the Emperor because that would subvert expectations"

There's a nearly 12 parsecs gulf between those two types of things.
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Post by: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 07:59:07 AM
No, one can nitpick about good movies/TV and find weird errors, but that's a totally different pony from glaring flaws like poor characterization, aborted character arcs, and improper setup for big twists that don't make much sense.

This isn't like "Luke Skywalker is a skilled pilot right off the bat, how strange!" And more like "The rebels kinda forgot about the Empire" and "Han Solo says I know to Leia because he just wants her to be quiet while he thinks about Tetris" and "C3PO kills the Emperor because that would subvert expectations"

There's a nearly 12 parsecs gulf between those two types of things.

Minor point...  Luke was experienced at hunting swamp rats.  If THAT doesn't teach you how to destroy a Deathstar, what would?

Carry on...
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 26, 2019, 07:59:29 AM
The first seasons ARE better. They really are. But I also notice that all of the book readers seemed more judgemental over the later, source-less seasons. (While D&D still knew all the events and had access abound to GRR Martin.)
They criticize the later season more because there's more to criticize.  What has Tyrion said that's been interesting in the past couple seasons?  Varys?  Littlefinger?  You can go down the list, comparing season1-4 characters to their 5-8 counterparts.  Most have had a very noticeable decline.

D&D have a very rough sketch from GRRM, but that's it, they're essentially doing it on their own.  And it shows in the final product.

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And still, no matter how you sliced it, most were wrong about a lot of things. Add to that that no show was ever going to satisfy them. I doubt the actual book even could after that time. That's bound to lead to a frustration that gets in the way of simple viewing pleasure.
In short, GOT was a phenomenon that swept all of us up. And those of us who lost ourselves so much that we thought we could  predict it,  were most angry of all when that image of ourselves fell short.
It's not the case that the fan base is unpleaseable (most of us love the Battle of the Bastards and other events) or that we're just mad that our fan theories are wrong (no one's losing sleep over Varys not being a merman).

There's actually a lot of things I like about season 8.  They're just outweighed by some monumentally bad writing decisions.  Even the actors got frustrated with this stuff.  They got the real script and thought it was a joke.

The real tragedy here is that we could've been pleased but we weren't because the writers rushed and didn't take the time to make sure it was good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Blackleaf on May 26, 2019, 12:01:35 PM
Yeah. I didn't hate GoT's ending, but definitely fell short of all the buildup it took to get there. It's not that the show didn't end the way I expected. Actually, it ended pretty similarly to how I was expecting, with a few exceptions. The problem was how they justified it. It just doesn't make sense. The Red Wedding was frustrating, but we love GoT for that kind of unexpected brutality and realism. The ending is brutal, but it's not realistic. You have armies that are nearly completely wiped out in one battle suddenly regenerate in the next episode. You have characters who lack any sense, who completely break character just to get to the ending the writers wanted. With more time given to character development, it could have worked much better. But this season is something I'd liken to taking an entire season of a popular TV show and stuffing it into an hour and a half movie.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 26, 2019, 02:58:11 PM
Watched ep 4, still cool with it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 26, 2019, 04:33:23 PM
Watched s8e5.

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Still okay with the season so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 26, 2019, 05:25:19 PM
Watched s8e5.

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Still okay with the season so far.
One more to go.  Mind the gap!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 26, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Yeah. I didn't hate GoT's ending, but definitely fell short of all the buildup it took to get there.
The part that kills me is that the whole series is someone's story.  What is their story?  And why are they telling it?  The big reveal is very underwhelming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 06:08:56 PM
Not all stories are riveting, unless you are a steel worker ;-)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 26, 2019, 07:12:39 PM
Not all stories are riveting, unless you are a steel worker ;-)
You could have gone with Tony Stark.  There must always be a Stark in Winterfell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 09:54:20 PM
Not all stories are riveting, unless you are a steel worker ;-)

OK, I'm not into GOT at all.  But "riveting, unless you are a steel worker"?  That was GOOD!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:27:55 AM
OK, I'm not into GOT at all.  But "riveting, unless you are a steel worker"?  That was GOOD!

Anachronistic, mostly welding today ...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on May 27, 2019, 01:10:31 AM
Anachronistic, mostly welding today ...

Unless you are Rosie...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 27, 2019, 12:09:40 PM
An idea for how the show became a lightning rod for criticism in recent years:

The audience has gotten used to GRRM's signature brutal realism and mysteries and expected that to continue after D&D ran out of book material.  It didn't.

Also, the core audience (asoiaf fans) are people who have been trained by the books to be very detail-oriented.  Seemingly trivial details can make or break theories.  And small discrepancies can indicate lying/scheming, so people watch out for that carefully.

So you have detail-oriented people who go over this stuff with a fine-toothed comb and you no longer feed them theory fodder.  What do they do instead?  They seize on every error, great or small.  And it just so happens that the show has also started putting less care into the small details, so there are also more mistakes to capitalize on and share to the entire internet.

The end result is a perfect tinder for an internet backlash and a firestorm of criticism.

TL;DR: Lack of source material (playing it by ear), making mistakes, having a super analytical fanbase = blood in the streets
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 27, 2019, 04:52:30 PM
Well the Last season was rushed, and not top tier game of thrones but IMHO still better than most things I watch on TV otherwise. That said, while I don't mind where the characters end up at the end of the finale, the execution of that episode might indeed make it the worst, or least good, episode of Got.

Book readers though
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 27, 2019, 07:46:29 PM
Well the Last season was rushed, and not top tier game of thrones but IMHO still better than most things I watch on TV otherwise.
Agreed.  Much better than The Walking Dead or Vikings.  But GoT has a hell of a budget, so I expect a hell of an episode to match.  And in every possible way but writing, GoT is unrivaled.  It sucks to have all that hard work sullied by a single bad element.

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That said, while I don't mind where the characters end up at the end of the finale, the execution of that episode might indeed make it the worst, or least good, episode of Got.
Yeah, which is a shame because finales are where a show should go all out!  Suffice it to say that I expected a lot more than I GoT.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 27, 2019, 08:15:57 PM
Book readers though
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 28, 2019, 12:56:47 PM
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Of course the biggest problem with this theory is that there is nothing you could say to actually disprove it, it's a bit of an unfalsifiable hypothesis. Not unlikely, I agree,. But still
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 28, 2019, 06:12:29 PM
Of course the biggest problem with this theory is that there is nothing you could say to actually disprove it, it's a bit of an unfalsifiable hypothesis.
New book material will likely clarify the Children of the Forest's true intentions.  So we'll know then.

But GRRM is known to play with tropes - so it'd be odd for this nature-revering forest race that was almost wiped out by humanity to super altrustically lend humanity a helping hand in their time of need.  What's in it for them?  Do they help purely out of the kindness in their hearts?  (Does anyone?)

Besides, what little we do know doesn't bode well for humanity.  According to the terms of the truce, the Children get the forest and humanity gets everything else.  And we know of an old castle called Deepwood Motte.  Unless that's a metaphorical name, that's a pretty clear indication that humanity broke the truce.  There are other indicators, too, but I'll go into that later.

Let's just say that I expect a reveal at the Three-Eyed Raven's tree virtually identical to the skeleton piles in Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 28, 2019, 06:47:01 PM
New book material will likely clarify the Children of the Forest's true intentions.  So we'll know then.

But GRRM is known to play with tropes - so it'd be odd for this nature-revering forest race that was almost wiped out by humanity to super altrustically lend humanity a helping hand in their time of need.  What's in it for them?  Do they help purely out of the kindness in their hearts?  (Does anyone?)

Besides, what little we do know doesn't bode well for humanity.  According to the terms of the truce, the Children get the forest and humanity gets everything else.  And we know of an old castle called Deepwood Motte.  Unless that's a metaphorical name, that's a pretty clear indication that humanity broke the truce.  There are other indicators, too, but I'll go into that later.

Let's just say that I expect a reveal at the Three-Eyed Raven's tree virtually identical to the skeleton piles in Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

No no, don't get me wrong. I'm well versed in the theory. And weather or not it's the case, I think grr Martin definitely put enough allusions in there to at least keep us wondering and guessing. But I wouldn't be surprised if he'll always keeps it ambiguous. Even when the story in the books is finished.
The problem I'm alluding to is that it could be that the threes are just a force of nature without purpose or intent, just with rules to tap into their magic. And if that were the case, the world would not necessarily be different than if their effects did have purpose behind them. One might say they made Howland Reid go to the festival so that shit would go down, for example, but if the influence had been different then we would never have known. Or mayhap he would have gone somewhere else and we would take that as a sign that the trees guided him there. The fact that he did go to the festival  becomes proof to us, but maybe it is only proof because it has significance and meaning to us.
Take the goldilocks argument as an analogy. The universe, our solar system, our planet, our sun, the other planet's around us... They all had to be 'just right' for us to come into existence. While none of us can deny that the forces and nature did turn out in a way tj'hat we came to be, that is however not proof tj'hat, as some would claim, there is intent behind those forces.
If you assume there is an all-knowing and immensely powerful entity controlling everything (like god or the trees) everything that is, regardless of what it is, becomes proof of that assertion.
Then again: I agree. It is not unlikely and season 8 has further won me to the theory of the weirwood net's sinister nature. Or at least the three Eyed raven (not bran) long con.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 28, 2019, 07:44:26 PM
GRRM has a novella called A Song For Lya where aliens go into some sort of hivemind at the end of their lives, much like the weirwood network.  A human telepath joins the hive mind, and then starts calling to other people.  Who's calling?  Impossible to say.  Are their Intentions pure?  Also impossible to determine.

We're in a similar situation with the children of the forest in asoiaf.  But suffice it to say that acquiring a human who can control people would be a big win for them.  And if that human can see what the weirwoods see, then there are a great deal of places and times he could influence.  That'd be a hell of a superweapon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 28, 2019, 08:15:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgUIPvAlLI
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 29, 2019, 11:56:25 PM
Why Game of Thrones declined, take two:

A big part of it might be D&D getting major plot points from GRRM and being somewhat at a loss as to how exactly to get these characters there (which would explain the season 7 jetpacks, the infamous wight hunt, etc).  And lacking pivotal book-only characters (the Mummer's dragon) can explain some illogical character motivations.

And according to Scientific American (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/?redirect=1), the show shifted focus from characters acting within the constraints of societal institutions and norms (sociology) to characters acting out of their own impulses (psychology)

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In sociological storytelling, the characters have personal stories and agency, of course, but those are also greatly shaped by institutions and events around them. The incentives for characters’ behavior come noticeably from these external forces, too, and even strongly influence their inner life.

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That tension between internal stories and desires, psychology and external pressures, institutions, norms and events was exactly what Game of Thrones showed us for many of its characters, creating rich tapestries of psychology but also behavior that was neither saintly nor fully evil at any one point.

Suffice it to say that in previous seasons, you cared about religion and the Iron Bank and feudal succession and the stigmas associated with being a dwarf or a bastard or a cripple.  In this final season, none of that matters one iota.  All that matters is the whims of one character or another.  A thousand shows already do that, and much better.

And you know what else you're doing?  Watching dead air.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7WEZtQUIAE6DTW.jpg)

Because D&D love them some sullen silence.  Dialogue clearly isn't their strong suit and they likely know this.  So Emilla Clarke's eyebrows are gonna have to tell the story instead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 30, 2019, 06:22:53 AM
(https://i.redd.it/juptp3rh95131.png)

Only like 4 of these were ever revealed and they all have rather drab, unsatisfying answers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on May 31, 2019, 02:38:13 PM
Why Game of Thrones declined, take two:

A big part of it might be D&D getting major plot points from GRRM and being somewhat at a loss as to how exactly to get these characters there (which would explain the season 7 jetpacks, the infamous wight hunt, etc).  And lacking pivotal book-only characters (the Mummer's dragon) can explain some illogical character motivations.

And according to Scientific American (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/?redirect=1), the show shifted focus from characters acting within the constraints of societal institutions and norms (sociology) to characters acting out of their own impulses (psychology)

Suffice it to say that in previous seasons, you cared about religion and the Iron Bank and feudal succession and the stigmas associated with being a dwarf or a bastard or a cripple.  In this final season, none of that matters one iota.  All that matters is the whims of one character or another.  A thousand shows already do that, and much better.

And you know what else you're doing?  Watching dead air.

Because D&D love them some sullen silence.  Dialogue clearly isn't their strong suit and they likely know this.  So Emilla Clarke's eyebrows are gonna have to tell the story instead.

Impressive.  And I never watched a single episode...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Unbeliever on May 31, 2019, 03:02:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME1ezSWjTFo
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on May 31, 2019, 08:10:09 PM
Impressive.  And I never watched a single episode...
I still highly recommend seasons 1-4.  Watershed stuff.  Seasons 5-6 should be treated with caution and seasons 7-8 can only be safely watched with higher brain functions temporarily neutralized.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 01, 2019, 08:40:08 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Unbeliever on June 07, 2019, 04:26:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AROxBLm7JW8
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2019, 08:22:41 PM
That was awesome.  Best claymation ever!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2019, 09:40:13 PM
Alt Shift X just made a video about the finale.

(https://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Blackleaf on June 10, 2019, 02:18:02 PM
George R. R. Martin and Miyazaki of Dark Souls fame are working with From Software to make a video game. Not a GoTs video game, but a video game nonetheless. I'll be interested to see how much of Martin's brutal, realistic style of storytelling comes through in the game. Hopefully they won't tone his work down to appeal to a bigger audience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4euIi1JfMqs
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Cavebear on June 11, 2019, 07:41:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AROxBLm7JW8

Wow,  I missed that one...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 13, 2019, 07:47:51 AM
(https://i.redd.it/y46gn7em0y331.jpg)

This is basically like nominating Batman and Robin when you could have nominated The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Hydra009 on June 29, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbwMOiyjFJc

So y'all remember the coffee cup fiasco halfway through season 8?  Well, it turns out we have a pretty good educated guess on how that happened.

It turns out that director David Nutter did not shoot any scenes with that coffee cup in the shot.  It was changed without his knowledge.  And the two producers, D&D, were on set dressed up as wildlings and had the authority to change camera angles.  It's quite likely that this blunder can be chalked up to them.