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Title: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 13, 2016, 06:58:46 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-shooting-idUSKCN10O0X4 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-shooting-idUSKCN10O0X4)


QuoteA Muslim imam was killed and a second man was critically wounded on Saturday while walking home from afternoon prayers at a mosque in the New York City borough of Queens, according to media reports that cited witnesses to the shooting.

Tiffany Phillips, a spokeswoman for the New York Police Department, confirmed that two men in their 50's were shot on a street in the Ozone Park section of Queens.

One of them was killed and the second was gravely wounded, but Phillips declined to provide any more information about their identities.
Police have yet to identify a suspect and the motive was still unknown, she said.

The shooting took place at about 2 p.m. EDT (02:00 p.m. EDT) two blocks from the Al-Furqan Jame Masjid Mosque, where the two men had worshiped, New York's NBC television reported. The iman was killed and the second man was wounded, it said on its website.

I'm sure the rampant fear mongering ideology of Trump, Republicans, right-wingers and xenophobes cannot be to blame, though. It never is when innocents get murdered.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Nonsensei on August 13, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
In NYC? The motive could literally be anything.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 13, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 13, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
In NYC? The motive could literally be anything.

The motive anywhere could literally be anything. We can only go by what the most likely motive was, which as it stands would be xenophobia given how heavily permeated certain moronic sections of our society have become by it. Especially when he was shot leaving a mosque.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2016, 08:33:07 PM
If the victims were also African-American ... then there is an obvious motive.  If they were non-African-American ... the motive would have been different.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Nonsensei on August 13, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 13, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
The motive anywhere could literally be anything. We can only go by what the most likely motive was, which as it stands would be xenophobia given how heavily permeated certain moronic sections of our society have become by it. Especially when he was shot leaving a mosque.

MMmmmmmmnaahhh. If these guys were shot in the Bible belt it would be far more likely that it was religiously motivated.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 13, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 13, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
MMmmmmmmnaahhh. If these guys were shot in the Bible belt it would be far more likely that it was religiously motivated.

Implying New York isn't full of right wing lunatics? Do you forget that New York has a recent history of Jews and Muslims ( and Sikhs) being assaulted for looking "like terrorists"?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Cocoa Beware on August 14, 2016, 12:03:54 AM
Of late have people been targeting and killing Muslims in the US for the reasons you specify?

If there was something incontrovertible here like an outright declaration on behalf of the killer, and/or substantial correlative data, then that would definitely be worth listening to.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 12:31:40 AM
What if the xenophobic rightwing loon turned out to be another of the best of peoples, evolved for mankind (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=110)?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Cocoa Beware on August 14, 2016, 12:03:54 AM
Of late have people been targeting and killing Muslims in the US for the reasons you specify?

If there was something incontrovertible here like an outright declaration on behalf of the killer, and/or substantial correlative data, then that would definitely be worth listening to.

Of late, yes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/us/politics/crimes-against-muslim-americans-and-mosques-rise-sharply.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

QuoteHate crimes against Muslim Americans and mosques across the United States have tripled in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif., with dozens occurring within just a month, according to new data.

Every time "Muslim" becomes a buzzword, a mosque is vandalized, Muslims or beat or, even better, Sikh temples are attacked because "hur dur tey ragheds amirite?" or Jews are assaulted because "he had der beard so obvisuly!". Or you could look at literally any minority in history ever who has been demonized and presented as the "impending doom to society as we know it!" and see how violence spikes as this sentiment spreads.

Quote from: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 12:31:40 AM
What if the xenophobic rightwing loon turned out to be another of the best of peoples, evolved for mankind (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=110)?


Good to see you at least don't even pretend to care about people being murdered, and still cant believe that people commit acts of terrorism in the name of your hateful ideology. God but I wish you could appreciate the humour in how little you differ from the people you hate so much.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Nonsensei on August 14, 2016, 01:16:35 AM
Quote
Good to see you at least don't even pretend to care about people being murdered, and still cant believe that people commit acts of terrorism in the name of your hateful ideology. God but I wish you could appreciate the humour in how little you differ from the people you hate so much.

Let just be absolutely clear. You don't give a crap about them either. You're using their deaths to push a narrative before all the facts are known.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 01:16:55 AM
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 13, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
In NYC? The motive could literally be anything.
^
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 01:17:19 AM
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 14, 2016, 01:16:35 AM
Let just be absolutely clear. You don't give a crap about them either. You're using their deaths to push a narrative before all the facts are known.

^

(http://www.infobro.com/RichPage/YuYuHakusho_files/botan10_02.jpg)

bINGOOO
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 01:29:31 AM
Shiranu wrote:[/quote]
Quotein the name of your hateful ideology.
I have asked you several times to name the hateful ideology that you accuse me of.
Still waiting.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Johan on August 14, 2016, 01:30:41 AM
Shiranu, have you been to NYC? Have you experienced the culture there? I have and I'm with Nonsensei, it could have been literally anything.

If we were talking about a shooting of two muslims walking home from a mosque taking place in Columbus or St Louis or Kansas City then I would agree that there stands a good chance trump supporters were on the other end of the gun. But in NYC that chance is reduced to the point that its literally a nothing more than a dice roll. It could be their muslim background. But there is just as much a chance that it could be because they happened to be on that particular street at that particular time and nothing more.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 01:35:40 AM
I am in NYC almost every other week. Like Johan said, it literally could have been anything. You're speculating, Shiranu.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 01:37:21 AM
Although, if we know anything about shiranu, he's going to pretend that everything we say has zero merit and that he has full authority on social justice
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 01:45:47 AM
NYC is a weird place. I've seen a gay pride parade pass through a Hare Krishna festival. It's truly a city where anything can happen for any reason at all


I've also seen a woman walk around topless in union square. Great boobs... But anywhere else, that would be really weird.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:12:20 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 01:37:21 AM
Although, if we know anything about shiranu, he's going to pretend that everything we say has zero merit and that he has full authority on social justice

(http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/05/obama-what-reaction-gif.gif?gs=a)

Says the person who is standing up for someone justifying murder. Somehow being berated by you just lacks a certain sting to it.

QuoteI have asked you several times to name the hateful ideology that you accuse me of.
Still waiting.

And I have responded several times. The fact that your vision selectively fails you is hardly my problem.

Let me put it in bold for you, see if that helps...

Xenophobia, and a sense of cultural ethnocentrism that would be in place circa 1920s. And an ideology that declares that Muslims are the greatest threat to "our way of life", and we will all be dead within 50-100 years and the world will be a desolate wasteland of hijabs and sharias.


QuoteLet just be absolutely clear. You don't give a crap about them either. You're using their deaths to push a narrative before all the facts are known.


Damn it, Batman, you figured me out! I post these unpopular opinions because I enjoy the abuse, I enjoy being
ostracized, I enjoy being proven right and suddenly everyone is silent and pretends the event never happened! It gives me the greatest of jollies! You truly are the greatest detective!

Or, you know, it's possible to be pissed off that someone got murdered AND have an opinion on the why. There is a bit of a difference there between that and callously justifying them getting murdered because, "Meh, it was probably another one of "those people" who killed them anyways. Who cares?".

But if you are more focused on attacking me rather than someone justifying murder, then by all means swing away. That is only a terrible reflection of your character and is no skin off my back.


Eckh, let me put it more shortly...

Statement A - "I am pissed off this person got killed, and bigotry is why I think it happened."
Statement B - "They were murdered... but are you sure it wasn't one of "their kind" that did it?"

I hope you can see the tonal and implicit message differences between the two.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 02:26:29 AM
QuoteXenophobia, and a sense of cultural ethnocentrism that would be in place circa 1920s.

Really? Wow. Totally unjustified.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4c9FHmIWGE

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:30:31 AM
Quote from: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 02:26:29 AM
Really? Wow. Totally unjustified.






Ooo, is this a new game? Let me see if I can play this right...







Good god, Trump is right! We gotta send all the Mexicans back and build a wall! Just look at these people! Jesus christ how do we ever let these monsters into our country!?!?! THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY AMERICA, THEY ALREADY ARE STARTING TO OUTNUMBER US!

Am I doing the, "Pull fear-mongering videos off of youtube to demonize an entire group of people" game right? I'll admit, I don't have the practice you have but I am happy to learn.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:32:11 AM
How the fuck am I justifying murder? Go get help Shiranu. Learn how to read a fucking comment.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:35:50 AM
I'm saying you can't push an agenda and pin it on a certain motive if you don't even know the fucking motive. You don't know the details, Shiranu.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:36:51 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:32:11 AM
How the fuck am I justifying murder? Go get help Shiranu. Learn how to read a fucking comment.

Didn't did say you did, so maybe take your tits and calm them down a magnitude or three.


How many posts responding like that would I get before I get threatened with a suspension again, by the way? I don't plan on stooping to that level, but it is an interesting train of thought...
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:37:36 AM
Do I really have to say the obvious? that it sucks that someone was killed? For fuck's sake Shiranu. You really reach hard to twist people's words and what they mean in order to make yourself seem right.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:39:07 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:37:36 AM
Do I really have to say the obvious? that it sucks that someone was killed? For fuck's sake Shiranu. You really reach hard to twist people's words and what they mean in order to make yourself seem right.

Never said you had to, never implied you thought it didn't.

If you are going to talk about me not being able to read and twisting your statements, please at least read mine and stop making up things I didn't say. Gracias.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:41:25 AM
You're implying that Johan is justifying murder, when that is nothing close to what he was even saying.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:41:25 AM
You're implying that Johan is justifying murder, when that is nothing close to what he was even saying.

I don't even remember Johan's post specifically, so I doubt that.

Referring to liking pr's statement when I have responded to that question in several threads now, to which he continually ignores it or responds to it and then a week later says I never responded. I don't know if he has Alzheimer's or something, and frankly if he wasn't such a hateful person who wants to generously spread his negative wealth I would feel sorry for him.

Digressing, there was zero point liking it other than it was an attack on me. It is something that has been responded to in multiple threads for months now, and I highly doubt anyone who has visited those threads hasn't seen at least one of the responses.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:49:20 AM
You're referring to my "like" on PR's comment? Really? you don't know why I liked that comment. Stop jumping to conclusions.


Edit: oddly enough, this is the key element to most of your arguments; jumping to conclusions
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:55:48 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 02:49:20 AM
You're referring to my "like" on PR's comment? Really? you don't know why I liked that comment. Stop jumping to conclusions.


Edit: oddly enough, this is the key element to most of your arguments; jumping to conclusions

I mean, if you liked it for what it had to say... alrighty then, I guess. It's one I responded to at least 4 times in the last month or so... so if I seem a bit annoyed of people supporting him continuing to ask it when he is being intentionally dense, or who actually do not see the inherent bigotry in his positions, I hope you can at least partly understand why.

Frankly how anyone cannot see the bigotry in his remarks is beyond me, but then again people do agree with crazier shit unfortunately. See; Donald Trump...
Quoteoddly enough, this is the key element to most of your arguments; jumping to conclusions

Edit: Also, the irony (okay, not really irony but more the pop-culture definition of irony, which is a bit of a mix of annoyance of hypocrisy and a bit of a mix of humour at it) in this statement is quite delicious. Log from your own eye, and all that goodness, even within just this thread...
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 03:04:01 AM
Shiranu,
You are ignoring the most hateful ideology on the planet: Islam.
Read the Islamic texts. The Quran, hadiths, sira.

Plenty there to entertain you.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 03:10:20 AM
Quote from: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 03:04:01 AM
Shiranu,
You are ignoring the most hateful ideology on the planet: Islam.
Read the Islamic texts. The Quran, hadiths, sira.

Plenty there to entertain you.


Implying "Most Hateful Ideology" is something that could be quantifiable.

Also, have read the Qu'ran. It is shit, but no worse than the Bible or the Torah.

You want a really hateful text, why don't you go read Anders Breivik's "2083 - A European Declaration of Independence" manifesto? Now there is an ideology that is 100% hateful from cover-to-cover, with not an inch of redeeming happy bits in it.

I'm sure you have a signed 1st addition laying around knowing you, really... give it a crack. I think you will enjoy it.

Edit: OH SHIT, I almost forgot... how did I do in the game? Did I do it right? Are you scared of Mexicans yet? You should be.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 03:22:41 AM
Did I mention that Shiranu is the authority on social justice? Well he is.

Sent from your mom.

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 03:32:44 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 13, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
Implying New York isn't full of right wing lunatics? Do you forget that New York has a recent history of Jews and Muslims ( and Sikhs) being assaulted for looking "like terrorists"?
I will not only imply it, I will verify that it it full of left wing people. Like I said. I frequent NYC almost bi-weekly. I live only a short commute away. I know NYC very well and also the type of people that inhabit it. The people are vast, which means the range of possible motives are vast.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 03:39:00 AM
@Shiranu

Bigotry, you say.  Read all about it!


Islam: Religion of Bigots  (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Islam-Religion-Bigots-Robert-Spencer-ebook/dp/B00EYQZS9Y/ref=sr_1_5?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1471159932&sr=1-5&keywords=robert+spencer)
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 03:49:53 AM
Quote from: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 03:39:00 AM
@Shiranu

Bigotry, you say.  Read all about it!


Islam: Religion of Bigots  (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Islam-Religion-Bigots-Robert-Spencer-ebook/dp/B00EYQZS9Y/ref=sr_1_5?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1471159932&sr=1-5&keywords=robert+spencer)

Pointing your finger at everyone else will not make your sins disappear.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 04:04:03 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 03:49:53 AM
Pointing your finger at everyone else will not make your sins disappear.
Not everyone else. Just Islam, the ideology.
I have no problems with "everyone else".

That is no sin.

You dislike Christianity. Is that a sin? Is that bigotry? No? Then why is it bigotry for disliking Islam?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 05:36:22 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 03:10:20 AM
Implying "Most Hateful Ideology" is something that could be quantifiable.

Also, have read the Qu'ran. It is shit, but no worse than the Bible or the Torah.

You want a really hateful text, why don't you go read Anders Breivik's "2083 - A European Declaration of Independence" manifesto? Now there is an ideology that is 100% hateful from cover-to-cover, with not an inch of redeeming happy bits in it.

I'm sure you have a signed 1st addition laying around knowing you, really... give it a crack. I think you will enjoy it.

Edit: OH SHIT, I almost forgot... how did I do in the game? Did I do it right? Are you scared of Mexicans yet? You should be.

Not many Mexicans in the U.K. Too far to swim. [strawman]

You lost the game. Too many tu quoque, non-sequiturs, gross generalisations and straw men.

QuoteAlso, have read the Qu'ran. It is shit, but no worse than the Bible or the Torah.

Really?

I don't see Christians or Jews with bombs, machetes, guns, rape, enslaving, enforcing their religion.
Imposing something similar to sharia ... with forcing Muslims to pay protection money for example.
Stoning women to death who have been raped. Or throwing homosexuals of high buildings, or by cutting off hand and feet of thieves.
Blowing up ancient monuments and killing their custodians in the name of their god.
Cutting the throats of imams in mosques.
Abolishing democracy and human rights especially freedom of and from religion.
Does the Christian god promising a celestial whorehouse if they kill anyone with a different faith?

Because all that and more is in the Torah and the new Testament according to you.

Christians and Jews ignore all those commandments that you have allegedly found in the bible and the Torah.
Otherwise, we would see Christians and Jews doing all those things just like the Mohammedans do.

But they don't. So you are wrong again.
Anything similar in the bible or Torah? Feel free to post them.

"The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great torment." (Qur'an 5:33)

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (Quran 9:5)

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. (Quran 9:29)*

For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not.
(Quran 8:22)

* Actually, in Arabic it is kill  Ù,َتÙ'Ù,,  in the verse, but translators have toned it down to fight.

Does the bible command eternal holy war until all humanity is Christian? (Q 8:39, 2:193)
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Nonsensei on August 14, 2016, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: ShiranuDamn it, Batman, you figured me out! I post these unpopular opinions because I enjoy the abuse, I enjoy being ostracized, I enjoy being proven right and suddenly everyone is silent and pretends the event never happened! It gives me the greatest of jollies! You truly are the greatest detective!

Or, you know, it's possible to be pissed off that someone got murdered AND have an opinion on the why. There is a bit of a difference there between that and callously justifying them getting murdered because, "Meh, it was probably another one of "those people" who killed them anyways. Who cares?".

But if you are more focused on attacking me rather than someone justifying murder, then by all means swing away. That is only a terrible reflection of your character and is no skin off my back.

Eckh, let me put it more shortly...

Statement A - "I am pissed off this person got killed, and bigotry is why I think it happened."
Statement B - "They were murdered... but are you sure it wasn't one of "their kind" that did it?"

Aright first of all, if you think pointing out a glaring flaw in your premise is an attack on you, then maybe you need to take some time out in your safe space and come back when you're thinking more clearly. Where are we right now Shiranu? Is this not a forum for skeptics? If I see a glaring flaw in your reasoning I am not going to refrain from pointing it out and its not an attack to do so.

Second, you didn't just get pissed off about murder and merely have an opinion on why. You used that (so far) fictional scenario you invented WITHOUT EVIDENCE to push a narrative that suggested that Americans at large are becoming more hateful towards Muslims. You tried to paint a picture that Muslims are IN DANGER of being shot or something just like this Imam. You may not have come right out and stated it implicitly but that was the general though being presented.

Sadly for you I read the article, and it states that there are 12-13 crimes that target Muslims specifically per month and most of them are petty shit like vandalism. This is, just for clarity, in a country where there are 1,200 to 1,600 crimes a month. In my humble opinion this is not sufficient cause to sound the klaxon of doom.

I guess what really kills me the most is that you seem blind to the fact that someone gets murdered in NYC every day, on average, but you decided to focus on this one because of its potential to become a juicy story about how Americans are just so darn hateful that they're gunning down Muslims in the street now!

Oh those other murders? Nah who cares? They're just black people, after all.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 14, 2016, 10:28:45 AM
Shiranu, watch and learn.

https://youtu.be/d8c38_46W5c
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: stromboli on August 14, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Been to New York. When you get propositioned by a hooker in an evening gown that is taller than you and has a 5 o'clock shadow, you can kind of assume anything is possible. Including racism and hatred of other religions. Spend a few hours in Times Square. You can see a multicultural mashup like few places on earth.

Shiranu when we say something to the effect that Islam is the core problem with terrorism you get righteously indignant. But you are implying the same thing by assuming that the motive was against Islam specifically as a hate crime. I'll join the chorus on this one. Anything is possible in NYC.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 11:00:17 AM
I've met Claudia too, stromboli!

Sent from your mom.

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 01:37:21 AM
Although, if we know anything about shiranu, he's going to pretend that everything we say has zero merit and that he has full authority on social justice
qft

(yes. I know I just quoted myself)
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: stromboli on August 14, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
Lol. This is how bad New York city is
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/summer-heat-nyc-flying-cockroach_us_57af9510e4b071840411a9cc?

rising heat could get cockroaches airborne. Cockroaches have been around since prehistoric times, tough buggers. Happy times ahead in New York.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 12:32:55 PM
I was almost stabbed by a girl near NYU. At the time, it was the weirdest experience of my life. Since then, I've seen shirtless women in Union Square, hordes of drunken Santas/Mrs. Clauses, a crack addict talking to me about Sigmund Frued... his drug addiction as well as his psychology, I saw a guy shit on the sidewalk, I got offered "service" from a lady of the evening and also from a pimp, I've talked to celebrities in coffee shops, I've exchanged dirty jokes with a homeless guy and even wrote one of them down for him....

NYC is truly a place of opportunity, where anything can happen...
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Hydra009 on August 14, 2016, 01:22:17 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:12:20 AMDamn it, Batman, you figured me out! I post these unpopular opinions because I enjoy the abuse, I enjoy being ostracized, I enjoy being proven right and suddenly everyone is silent and pretends the event never happened! It gives me the greatest of jollies! You truly are the greatest detective!

Or, you know, it's possible to be pissed off that someone got murdered AND have an opinion on the why. There is a bit of a difference there between that and callously justifying them getting murdered because, "Meh, it was probably another one of "those people" who killed them anyways. Who cares?".
So far, we have a murder and the motive is unknown.  You have jumped to a conclusion and ran with it as if it were self-evident.  This is why people have been objecting to your OP and rightfully so, imo.  You might be right, you might not be right, but it's a premature conclusion to reach.  And misconstruing people pointing that out as "justifying them getting murdered" is a big reason why you're getting flak.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 07:18:23 PM
QuoteYou dislike Christianity.

Not sure where you got that idea. I despise fundamentalist Christianity, just as I despise Wahabbist Islam and Orthodox Judaism. But for the moderates, I am mostly ambient, if not intrigued. Same with any fundamenalist world view, such as violent Communism, far-right nationalism and hateful xenophobia.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
Is it xenophobia to dislike a set of beliefs, which at their core, preaches hate, intolerance, and violence?
I would say "no"
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 07:54:04 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
Is it xenophobia to dislike a set of beliefs, which at their core, preaches hate, intolerance, and violence?
I would say "no"

No, but it is xenophobic to therefor believe that Muslims in the west as a majority (or even a sizable minority) follow the "core" beliefs (which are as "core" as don't eat shellfish or you will go to hell, and yet few Western Christians actually take that seriously... just as few Western Muslims take the Qu'ran as seriously, or cherry pick the good verses and ignore the bad) and therefor Muslims need to be banned from the countries or believing that by the sheer fact you follow a religion, regardless of what you believe, you are likely to be a terrorist and a monster and are the impending doom of Western civilization as we know it. Saying murder might be justified if enother savage did it to him is pretty xenophobic as well.

Pr has argued these things, and defended politicians who like Trump and that Dutch tool who advocate this and worse. He has defended refugee camps being burnt and their occupants harassed and harmed. That is xenophobia approaching it's worse. And right-wing terrorists like Breivik did his killings in the name of Pr's ideology... as did the Munich shooter who was specifically targeting Muslims. That is what an ideology of fear gets you.

Pr's ideology believes that Muslims need to be treated as a threat; doesn't matter if they are doctors, policemen, soldiers, fire fighters, scientists, students or just running a small business and trying to get by day to day... they are all, potentially, radical threats to our way of life and, even if they will not blow us up or convert us to sharia, their children more than likely will... or that they are secretly supporting the radicals by their silence on an issue they have no relation to. If you don't believe that is xenophobia, or that is acceptable, then I really doubt there is much getting through to you.

I find it surprising that someone who just argued that emotions are worse than reason, and who constantly attacks people he disagrees with for being "emotional", is so quick to defend a mindset that feeds on fear and hatred of the other, to defend a poster who's only tool is fear, fear and more fear of "the savage man". It's not the first hypocritical thing you have done, but it is certainly one of the more glaring.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2016, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Johan on August 14, 2016, 01:30:41 AM
Shiranu, have you been to NYC? Have you experienced the culture there? I have and I'm with Nonsensei, it could have been literally anything.

If we were talking about a shooting of two muslims walking home from a mosque taking place in Columbus or St Louis or Kansas City then I would agree that there stands a good chance trump supporters were on the other end of the gun. But in NYC that chance is reduced to the point that its literally a nothing more than a dice roll. It could be their muslim background. But there is just as much a chance that it could be because they happened to be on that particular street at that particular time and nothing more.

If we want to be tin foil hat political .. it was Hitlerly supporters pretending to be Donald Duck supporters what done it ;-)
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
Interestingly enough, the Mayor of New York said that even if this wasn't a hate crime towards Muslims, it's shameful how often they have been targeted by bigotry in NYC. I doubt he would know much about the culture of NYC though. It's not like he is the mayor, or born and raised there...



And on the topic of these damn muslims we gotta keep out...


(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adXBO8Z_700b_v1.jpg)

How dreadful.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Watch out. We got our social justice authority sharing memes, guys! lol

What the hell does this have to do with refugees, btw? You're speculating again, shiranu.

You.
Don't.
Know.
The.
Motive.
Yet.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Watch out. We got our social justice authority sharing memes, guys! lol

What the hell does this have to do with refugees, btw? You're speculating again, shiranu.

You.
Don't.
Know.
The.
Motive.
Yet.

Man, aren't you just a precious little ball of emotional.

Never said it had anything to do with refugees but instead was an expansion of the threads b-story with pr. I am assuming this is expressed consent to put words in your mouth, yes? I wouldn't dare assume that you would be doing such, as well as constant personal insults in multiple threads, without giving the other side a fair chance.

Nor could I ever believe that if I posted half the personal insults you and or have in the last couple of days, you would be spamming me with red text that I need to calm down. That hypocrisy would surely not fit your outstanding character.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
I'm not the one that is emotional. Are you sure you're not projecting?

And just because I've never given you my consent in the past, it hasn't stopped you from twisting my words and putting some in my mouth.

You have an issue with your emotions overriding your logic. I'd try to work on that if I were you.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2016, 11:41:33 PM
You know, Shiranu. Maybe if you didn't twist people's words so hard and speculate so much, they wouldn't feel so justified in calling out your bullshit.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 15, 2016, 12:02:47 AM
You have twisted and made assumptions about my posts this entire thread... practically every post in response to you has been pointing that out.

So please, save me the self righteous bullshit when every post has been either or personal attack or stating I said something I didn't. It's not very becoming.

Bad enough I have to deal with idiots stalking my social media for daring to imply that Muslims are human too, now I have to deal with a hypocritical moderator who threatens suspension if you act like even a half the douche he does, and acts as if he is behaving as a Vulcan would when he couldn't be further from the truth.

Whatever. if that's the tactics your side has to offer, then that feels like solid enough evidence I am on the right side.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 15, 2016, 12:33:53 AM
Shiranu, I have a question for you, (prompted by your avatar).

A Muslim woman in a western country wears a black robe and the niqab (face veil).

What does that signal to non-Muslims?

It is a complete isolation, unapproachable, unknowable person.
A totally alien concept to Europeans.

How is that helping for integration, social interaction, employment?


Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 15, 2016, 12:43:58 AM
lol ok, shiranu. Ok.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 15, 2016, 12:47:52 AM
Only xenophobes would object to the Sharia Police.

Fears of 'Sharia Police' and Islamic State support in German city after wave of refugees (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/699524/Sharia-police-hamburg-germany-islamic-state-ISIS-refugees-migrants)
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Nonsensei on August 15, 2016, 01:06:57 AM

Just FYI I think his avatar is a Nazgul from lord of the rings, not some woman in a burqa.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 15, 2016, 01:10:37 AM
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 15, 2016, 01:06:57 AM
Just FYI I think his avatar is a Nazgul from lord of the rings, not some woman in a burqa.
I couldn't tell the difference. Still,  the question is valid.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 15, 2016, 01:19:15 AM
This is the point of the thread where Shiranu regurgitates all of the semi-related sjw rhetoric he can in order to feel like he's successfully defending his biases.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 15, 2016, 01:31:13 AM
Black lives matter.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 15, 2016, 01:32:32 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 15, 2016, 01:31:13 AM
Black lives matter.
I have a pretty good feeling that this post of yours was in jest. lol
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 15, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
That is because everything is about feeling, not about reason.
Virtue signalling. Cultural relativism. Moral  equivalence.
Racism of lower expectations. All minority groups are victims by default.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: SGOS on August 15, 2016, 07:55:19 AM
Has the motive been determined by authorities yet?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: chill98 on August 15, 2016, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: Shiranu
I'm sure the rampant fear mongering ideology of Trump, Republicans, right-wingers and xenophobes cannot be to blame, though. It never is when innocents get murdered.

~~~  Sources pointed to an ongoing feud between Muslims and Hispanics in the neighborhood, saying the shooting may have been payback after a group of Muslims allegedly attacked some Hispanics a few weeks earlier.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/members-queens-mosque-demand-justice-shooting-imam-article-1.2750872?cid=bitly

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Nonsensei on August 15, 2016, 08:37:08 AM
Uh oh. No white people or right wingers involved. Quick, SJWs. Time to hit the abandon topic button and pretend this never happened.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 15, 2016, 08:42:59 AM
Why is this killing more important among all other killings in NYC?
Because the victim was a member of the protected species.

The new "chosen ones" by the western politicians, the academians, the media, not forgetting SJWs.
Otherwise, it would have never made a thread.

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 15, 2016, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 15, 2016, 08:37:08 AM
Uh oh. No white people or right wingers involved. Quick, SJWs. Time to hit the abandon topic button and pretend this never happened.

Sorry, I'm not like pr, baron and everyone who agrees with them and can admit when I was wrong.

Still waiting on the admission that the Munich shooter wasn't some liberal conspiracy and he wasn't secretly Muslim, that there aren't mass book burnings in Germany, and a few other threads that were proven to be straight bullshit, btw... conviently every one just buggered off from those when proven wrong, or actually just continued like they were right.

It's like a gawt damn IMAX in here...

Edit: Also doesn't change the spike in hate crimes against Muslims that is happening, but that's okay.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 15, 2016, 12:10:08 PM
QuoteIt's like a gawt damn IMAX in here...
You started it.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
So just like West Side Story, updated ;-(  Hope a good Broadway musical can be made ;-)
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Johan on August 15, 2016, 06:36:52 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
Interestingly enough, the Mayor of New York said that even if this wasn't a hate crime towards Muslims, it's shameful how often they have been targeted by bigotry in NYC. I doubt he would know much about the culture of NYC though. It's not like he is the mayor, or born and raised there...
That is absolutely true. And if you had expressed that same thought in a similar way, I think most here would have agreed with you. But that's not what you said. At all. And when people pointed that out to you, instead of just saying what is quoted above and saying that's what you meant, you dug in your heals and argued. A lot.

Have you ever been wrong? Ever?

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: TrueStory on August 15, 2016, 07:29:45 PM
If you read the OP at verbatim face value then this thread makes no sense.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 15, 2016, 08:49:12 PM
Quote from: pr126 on August 15, 2016, 12:10:08 PM
You started it.

I started it by responding to posts that twisted my words? 

Lol okay, sure. Y'all made a mountain out of a mole hill then repeatedly accused me of saying things I didn't... all the while saying I am "twisting your words" when I respond that isn't what I said.

The fact that someone agreed with you shows that they either didn't read the thread or are not too bright and just want to keep up the hive mind of, "omg sjw be invadin' mah interwebs! Shame! SHAME!"

QuoteHave you ever been wrong? Ever?

Quite often, actually. If you look two or three posts above yours you will see where I admitted that.

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 15, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: Nonsensei on August 15, 2016, 01:06:57 AM
Just FYI I think his avatar is a Nazgul from lord of the rings, not some woman in a burqa.

That would have been hilarious, I wish I had used that now :(.

Actually, it's a Pakistani American covered in tattoos, who drinks, does drugs and makes sexy music. They were raised moderate Muslim, and their dad who is still Muslim got tattoos with them.

I just thought she made a good boogieman and trigger, and she is pretty damn hawt under the hood.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 15, 2016, 10:51:26 PM
I thought it was one of the wraith things from Harry Potter...
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 16, 2016, 12:02:00 AM
(http://www.edmsauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Krewella.jpeg)

'Murican Muslims be scary, yo.


Edit: Just realised that was before she got her hand tattoos...


(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/CcVTao3WIAQ7g2p-544x360.jpg)


Much better.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 16, 2016, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 16, 2016, 12:02:00 AM
(http://www.edmsauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Krewella.jpeg)

'Murican Muslims be scary, yo.


Edit: Just realised that was before she got her hand tattoos...


(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/CcVTao3WIAQ7g2p-544x360.jpg)


Much better.
That's nice. And I agree that not all muslims are scary. Most in the U.S. aren't. This has nothing to do with anything, other than the fact that a muslim guy was shot. What was the motive? You don't know that it was because he was muslim, unless the news changed.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 16, 2016, 12:47:01 AM
QuoteThat's nice. And I agree that not all muslims are scary. Most in the U.S. aren't. This has nothing to do with anything, other than the fact that a muslim guy was shot. What was the motive? You don't know that it was because he was muslim, unless the news changed.

Yeah, that was a complete side tangent above with nothing to do with the topic. I was just still in a "finding it funny" mood of wishing I had used a Nazghul that looked like it was in a burqa now :(.



Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 16, 2016, 01:05:08 AM
Why don't we need to post photos of moderate "not scary" Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Taoist, Confucians, Shinto, Animist?

Because the concept would be ridiculous.

Indeed, there are many "not scary" MINO (Muslims In Name Only) in the world who are ignoring or unaware of the dogmas of their religion.

But unfortunately, they are doing nothing at all to stop the "tiny minority" from  hijacking the noble peaceful religion.

Of course, I do understand that they can't.
Because the texts are with the "tiny minority", and it could be very bad for health to do so.

What no politician, educator, mainstream media would ever say publicly, that maybe, just maybe Islam is NOT a religion of peace, but a "religion of war.

1400 years of Islamic jihad  (http://historyofjihad.org/) history is airbrushed out of existence.
Winston Smith was doing a lot of overtime in the Ministry of Truth.








Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 16, 2016, 01:14:30 AM
QuoteWhy don't we need to post photos of moderate "not scary" Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Taoist, Confucians, Shinto, Animist?

Didn't need to post them, I just find them sexy and wanted an excuse ;).


Pakistani and Lithuanian/Polish? You doin' it right, genetics. You doin' it real right.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Sal1981 on August 16, 2016, 03:25:32 AM
Quote from: pr126 on August 16, 2016, 01:05:08 AM
Why don't we need to post photos of moderate "not scary" Christian, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Taoist, Confucians, Shinto, Animist?

Because the concept would be ridiculous.

Indeed, there are many "not scary" MINO (Muslims In Name Only) in the world who are ignoring or unaware of the dogmas of their religion.

But unfortunately, they are doing nothing at all to stop the "tiny minority" from  hijacking the noble peaceful religion.

Of course, I do understand that they can't.
Because the texts are with the "tiny minority", and it could be very bad for health to do so.

What no politician, educator, mainstream media would ever say publicly, that maybe, just maybe Islam is NOT a religion of peace, but a "religion of war.

1400 years of Islamic jihad  (http://historyofjihad.org/) history is airbrushed out of existence.
Winston Smith was doing a lot of overtime in the Ministry of Truth.
You almost seem to WANT the Muslims to adhere to their backwards religion. I, for one, am glad they do not follow the tenets of their own religion. Sure, makes them not True Muslimsâ,,¢, but isn't it better that they live, by and large, according to secular and liberal values?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 16, 2016, 08:41:24 AM
QuoteYou almost seem to WANT the Muslims to adhere to their backwards religion.
Where did you get that idea from?


Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 16, 2016, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: pr126 on August 16, 2016, 08:41:24 AM
Where did you get that idea from?



Because you whine every time a muslim isn't chopping someone's head off for criticizing the koran.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 16, 2016, 01:43:00 PM
Do I? Could you show a post please where I am doing this?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 16, 2016, 03:03:56 PM
Maybe I misunderstood your posts that are like this?: http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=9932.0
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 17, 2016, 01:35:02 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 16, 2016, 03:03:56 PM
Maybe I misunderstood your posts that are like this?: http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=9932.0
No, I do not think it is "whining", simply posting an article I happen to agree with.

The article is quite self-explanatory.

Americans are generally unaware of what is happening in western Europe.
This will not end well for Europeans, and in time for Americans too.
You could take it as a warning.


Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 17, 2016, 01:35:47 AM
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2016, 01:35:02 AM
No, I do not think it is "whining", simply posting an article I happen to agree with.

The article is quite self-explanatory.

Americans by generally unaware of what is happening in western Europe.
This will not end well for Europeans, and in time for Americans too.
You could take it as a warning.



Ah. ok.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 17, 2016, 03:44:42 AM
 NY man in court charged with murdering Muslim cleric, assistant (https://www.yahoo.com/news/york-man-charged-slaying-muslim-imam-assistant-030129632.html)
QuoteAuthorities said on Tuesday that the suspect's motive remained unclear, and the possibility it was a hate crime was one theory being explored.

Quote"Everybody is very upset," Uddin said, adding that he believes it was a hate crime. "These two people here being killed at one time? What's the reason? There's only one reason (and) that's the hate crime."
Obviously.
And Trump.

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 17, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2016, 01:35:02 AM
Americans are generally unaware of what is happening in western Europe.

And Europeans do?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 17, 2016, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 17, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
And Europeans do?
Some do. Most just don't care.
Or educated not to take notice.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on August 17, 2016, 03:58:15 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:36:51 AM
Didn't did say you did
30 minutes earlier...
Quote from: Shiranu on August 14, 2016, 02:12:20 AMSays the person who is standing up for someone justifying murder.

Shir, I mean this in the most sincere way possible: think before you speak
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on August 18, 2016, 12:16:03 AM
 New York man in court charged with murdering Muslim cleric, assistant (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-shooting-idUSKCN10O0X4)

I wouldn't be surprised that this was a "contract" killing on the imam, and the assistant happened to be at the wrong place at a wrong time, meaning, as a witness had to be eliminated.

If it was a "hate crime", any Muslim would do as a victim, the result would be the same. I think this was targeted.

Just my own hypothesis. I could be wrong.





Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 19, 2016, 12:49:11 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/man-says-suspect-charged-in-killing-of-queens-imam-struck-him-in-crosswalk/2016/08/17/8be418c0-64b0-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/man-says-suspect-charged-in-killing-of-queens-imam-struck-him-in-crosswalk/2016/08/17/8be418c0-64b0-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html)


Yeah, "race" is looking much less likely now.


:P


QuoteI wouldn't be surprised that this was a "contract" killing on the imam, and the assistant happened to be at the wrong place at a wrong time, meaning, as a witness had to be eliminated.

Yep, just going to wait for everyone to jump down your throat for making any even more ridiculous assumption than mine...

Any moment now...

Annnnny moment....
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 19, 2016, 03:12:44 AM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 17, 2016, 03:58:15 PM
30 minutes earlier...
Shir, I mean this in the most sincere way possible: think before you speak
lmfao
:rrotflmao:
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on August 19, 2016, 07:26:49 AM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 17, 2016, 03:58:15 PM
30 minutes earlier...
Shir, I mean this in the most sincere way possible: think before you speak

Still never said he justified murdered, but rather was defending someone who did. Doesn't mean he agrees with the person.

Soooo....

*shrug*
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Cavebear on November 28, 2016, 03:19:50 AM
Hate murders occur to people we like and to people we don't like.  What is the difference?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on November 28, 2016, 06:54:19 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 28, 2016, 03:19:50 AM
Hate murders occur to people we like and to people we don't like.  What is the difference?

Nothing to me.  But in law, Hate crimes get special notice, as opposed to killing one's spouse that one has fallen out of love for.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on November 30, 2016, 12:17:00 AM
Hate crime happens when a minority [protected] person gets killed by a majority  (WASP)  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant)person.
If a minority person is killed by another minority person, or a minority person happens to kill a majority [unprotected] person then it is not a hate crime.

Simple.

/sarc.  (Just in case.)

Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2016, 04:36:06 AM
In Africa, they don't feel that way ... remarkable?  Americans are self-hating ... this is helpful to the Elite who are bringing out their self destruction ... for fun and profit.  Same folks who are allowing the Muslim immigrants to come, who are arming the jihadis.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: pr126 on November 30, 2016, 08:56:34 AM
Not just Americans. Europeans financing the jihadist just as well if not more.
Our taxes helps to eliminate ourselves from the gene pool in the long run.

Isn't the marxist ideology wonderful? 

Here is someone indoctrinated to go for the Darwin Award.

https://youtu.be/0diJNybk0Mw
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2016, 12:44:06 PM
If you have had any dealing with women, you know the beauty is only skin deep ;-)
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Shiranu on November 30, 2016, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 30, 2016, 12:44:06 PM
If you have had any dealing with women, you know the beauty is only skin deep ;-)

I cant say I know that.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2016, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on November 30, 2016, 01:42:45 PM
I cant say I know that.

With experience, either gender, in either type of relationship ... ends up like the Ancient Mariner ...

He went like one that hath been stunned,
And is of sense forlorn:
A sadder and a wiser man,
He rose the morrow morn.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 30, 2016, 12:44:06 PM
If you have had any dealing with women, you know the beauty is only skin deep ;-)

That is a sad thought.  I think the value of all people goes right down to the bones and mind.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 07:22:54 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 03:06:08 AM
That is a sad thought.  I think the value of all people goes right down to the bones and mind.

It works both ways.  If I were a woman, I would say the corresponding thing about men.  We are conditioned by evolution to value the ugly.
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 07:29:52 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 07:22:54 AM
It works both ways.  If I were a woman, I would say the corresponding thing about men.  We are conditioned by evolution to value the ugly.

In what way?  The ugly are not generally valued. 
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 07:29:52 AM
In what way?  The ugly are not generally valued.

So you have never felt the irrationality of sexual attraction?
Title: Re: Imam Shot and Killed in Queens, New York
Post by: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 08:12:01 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 07:37:18 AM
So you have never felt the irrationality of sexual attraction?

Why is a mouse when it spins?