We can only hope, but if true no individual would bear more responsibility for such an outcome than W himself.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/george-w-bush-last-republican-president/index.html
Nah! He'll never be the last Republican president. At one time I would have wagered he would be the worst, but now I'm not even sure about that anymore.
He won't be the last Republican President. That was his dad.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 19, 2016, 05:11:54 PM
He won't be the last Republican President. That was his dad.
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Remember there was time when the democrats were the conservative ones. He won't be the last Republican President. And assuming the eventual demise of both parties, he won't be the last conservative one.
I hope he was the last Republican president. That's not something to worry about; it's something to celebrate should it be true.
If Trump loses, it could well be the well-deserved death knell of that party of scum and thugs.
As Alfred E. Newman used to say in his well known campaign slogan of the 1950s, "What? Me worry?" If the party dissolves, maybe it's just not needed anymore. The Democrats are more than willing to accomplish Republican goals, and the Democratic strategy of continually drifting to the right has left little for the Republicans to do, but bemoan the loss of family values and unwed mothers murdering their unborn. As Newt Gingrich recently observed when some pesky reporter interrupted Newt's coitus with his secretary, "Family and God is what matters most!" Republican candidates have been forced to distinguish themselves by being the most outrageous, bitter, or self-righteous contenders in the lot. Trump wins hands down.
If the Silly Party were running a candidate I'd vote for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU
It would be fitting, given the many, many sins of his administration from using the victims of 9/11 to get reelected (I remember "A vote for Kerry is a vote for Al Qaeda" bumper stickers) to his unapologetic violations of the Geneva Convention to giving the pope immunity for his role in the crimes against thousands of children to deceiving the public to get the go ahead for a private war...it's a long list of things some of which should have him in prison.
As much as most of my GOP associates have bitched and complained about the Obamanation (he's got quite a few darts in his ass from me too); his ascendancy to the Presidency is a direct result of the W Presidency. I have never gotten one of them to admit it's true. Like anything else in life; if you don't admit it exists........................you're never going to do anything to correct/change it.
Late 2001: We invade The Stan; kick the shit outta Taliban and Al Qaida, leave the Northern Alliance in charge in Kabul; tell the T and AQ survivors if we EVER have to come back; it will be to install glass bottom lakes in their front caves...........................and leave. If necessary....................rinse and repeat with finality.
2002: Iranian Agent and Iraqi National Congress honcho, Achmed Chalabi and ASD Paul Wolfowitz attempt to buzz up Rumsfeld and Cheney that if the CIA missed the run up to 9/11, what might we be missing in Iraq? What's Saddam up to with his WMD Programs?? R & C toss the two alarmist buzz up artists out into the street; followed by Rumsfeld firing Wolfowitz for being a shill for Israeli interests. We do not invade Iraq.
Think Obama would ever have made President?
Quote from: widdershins on July 20, 2016, 12:23:15 PM
It would be fitting, given the many, many sins of his administration from using the victims of 9/11 to get reelected (I remember "A vote for Kerry is a vote for Al Qaeda" bumper stickers) to his unapologetic violations of the Geneva Convention to giving the pope immunity for his role in the crimes against thousands of children to deceiving the public to get the go ahead for a private war...it's a long list of things some of which should have him in prison.
^ This!! I will be forever bitter about Bush/Cheney walking around out of prison.
Quote from: Flanker1Six on July 20, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
As much as most of my GOP associates have bitched and complained about the Obamanation (he's got quite a few darts in his ass from me too); his ascendancy to the Presidency is a direct result of the W Presidency. I have never gotten one of them to admit it's true. Like anything else in life; if you don't admit it exists........................you're never going to do anything to correct/change it.
Late 2001: We invade The Stan; kick the shit outta Taliban and Al Qaida, leave the Northern Alliance in charge in Kabul; tell the T and AQ survivors if we EVER have to come back; it will be to install glass bottom lakes in their front caves...........................and leave. If necessary....................rinse and repeat with finality.
2002: Iranian Agent and Iraqi National Congress honcho, Achmed Chalabi and ASD Paul Wolfowitz attempt to buzz up Rumsfeld and Cheney that if the CIA missed the run up to 9/11, what might we be missing in Iraq? What's Saddam up to with his WMD Programs?? R & C toss the two alarmist buzz up artists out into the street; followed by Rumsfeld firing Wolfowitz for being a shill for Israeli interests. We do not invade Iraq.
Think Obama would ever have made President?
I had not thought about that quite that way, before. You may be on to something.
Quote from: Flanker1Six on July 20, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
As much as most of my GOP associates have bitched and complained about the Obamanation (he's got quite a few darts in his ass from me too); his ascendancy to the Presidency is a direct result of the W Presidency.
I assumed that after W, the Democrats had 2008 sewed up. Anyone nominated, living, dead, human, canine, or Hillary would have been elected. It won't be as easy this time around.
Quote from: SGOS on July 20, 2016, 04:28:48 PM
I assumed that after W, the Democrats had 2008 sewed up. Anyone nominated, living, dead, human, canine, or Hillary would have been elected. It won't be as easy this time around.
But man, how quickly Republicans have forgotten that. They talk about him now like he was the greatest thing since Reagan.
Quote from: widdershins on July 21, 2016, 10:51:05 AM
But man, how quickly Republicans have forgotten that. They talk about him now like he was the greatest thing since Reagan.
It's called "Defensiveness". They have to candy-coat the dWeeb or admit they voted for an idiot tWice.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 21, 2016, 10:52:13 AM
It's called "Defensiveness". They have to candy-coat the dWeeb or admit they voted for an idiot tWice.
I was on another forum when his approval rating got to 25% and I posted about it. The title of the thread was something along the lines of, "New poll shows 25% of Americans are retarded". I don't think it went over as well there as it would here.
Republicans conveniently forget everything. For years they put Saint Ronny on the pedestal with Mr Gorbechov tear down that wall and have replaced it with a new bigger wall closer to home and want to build yet another. Obviously they've forgotten that the airplane was invented long ago.
Chalabi was Mossad. Qui bono? Score for Israel. Ram Emmanuel's father was Mossad. But Obama has a bad relationship with Israel? Sure he does ;-)
Pff. He's worried he might be the last Repub president.
Funny, I'm hopeful he might be.
Quote from: trdsf on July 28, 2016, 12:03:33 AM
Pff. He's worried he might be the last Repub president.
Funny, I'm hopeful he might be.
I fear a one-party system more than I fear whatever ring-tailed monkey the GOPpys put up.
Everyone that I know, seems to have forgotten the budget surplus, left behind by Bill Clinton's administration, which George W. Bush immediately gave back "to the taxpayers"(the wealthy).
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on July 28, 2016, 10:21:07 AM
Everyone that I know, seems to have forgotten the budget surplus, left behind by Bill Clinton's administration, which George W. Bush immediately gave back "to the taxpayers"(the wealthy).
People remembered in '08.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 28, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
People remembered in '08.
Obama is no Bill Clinton. And blaming or crediting the President for everything that happens ... is naïve.
Quote from: Baruch on July 28, 2016, 07:04:28 PM
Obama is no Bill Clinton. And blaming or crediting the President for everything that happens ... is naïve.
SFW?
There's always a downside. I was working for the DOD when Clinton was balancing the budget. He did a lot of that by downsizing the military. You don't downsize the military by getting rid of the dead weight of bloated senior officers at command level, you get rid of senior noncoms that actually run the fucking services. I had a Staff Sergeant friend that got out on a buyoff from the Air Force. This guy was a Warthog mechanic and a crew chief. You don't rubber stamp guys like him from basic training. We're talking 12 years and 2 tours in Saudi for Desert Storm. Crew Chiefs are valuable guys.
Clinton's election just happened to coincide with a break in the action war footing wise. It was a perfect opportunity and he took it, plain and simple.
This is what happens when you have never been in the military and you tell senior officers to reach a goal and then walk away. So we kept all the generals porking their secretaries in the Pentagon and fired the dudes that stood in the sandstorms of Saudi Arabia fixing Warthogs and F-16s. That's how she rolls, bro.
Who made the call on what personnel would be leaving? POTUS or the brass asses in the five-sided puzzle box?
You don't understand bureaucracy. You can't handle the truth if you did.
I have been a military associate for most of my adult life. A few years ago, the USAF wasted 2 billion on two software programs that they needed ... programs got cancelled, nothing much was saved from the debacles, and nobody was fired. The responsible senior parties, Colonel and above ... they got quiet retirement offers, no punishment (they were eligible for retirement, or they wouldn't have senior positions).
DoD is a big pyramid. The senior officer in the personnel office consults his spreadsheet, recalculates a 10% reduction in outlay, they calls up his subordinate ... "Riff some folks". And that passes down the chain, until they have riffed some junior officers and junior NCOs who don't have anyone to delegate to ... end of rope folks can't pass the buck. If they riff senior officers or senior NCOs ... that is a mistake, by idiots. But there are idiots in every organization. Military riffs two ways ... they won't let you re-enlist, or they make the promotion ladder more competitive, and you get kicked out for not being promoted on schedule. Of course if you can save a few friends and relatives from the riff, you do that too. There is constant jockeying for status and bullets (accomplishments real or imagined), and the limbo bar for favoritism, nepotism, cronyism is relatively easy (provided you don't directly supervise the beneficiary). Spouses (now both straight and gay) often get special treatment so that they can serve near each other. Access to job openings is both public and private ... so that you can hire your friends before anyone else has a shot at it. On the civilian side, entire families are hired in, spouses, children etc. But people frequently drop out or are kicked out too. It is the big senior screw-ups who don't get axed. It takes an exceptional general, like George Marshall in 1941, to overcome inertia and seniority. If he hadn't, the US would never know who Eisenhower was.
I'm a retired Chief Petty Officer.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 30, 2016, 08:55:49 AM
I'm a retired Chief Petty Officer.
Good for you. Hope you are prepared when the people in charge, end the volunteer military and cancel the existing and future military pensions. A draft of penniless poor people is coming, and they will get what my dad got in the Navy ... $40 per month. The Roman Empire had to do this, the US ... the latest Romans ... will have to do the same. The US people will be unfit for combat, so barbarians will have to be hired, who can't be paid, except thru pillage. The problem being, pillaging is habit forming ;-)
The primary threat in Late Rome, were Germans, who actually were pro-Roman mercenaries, who went unpaid. You will look great in furs and a horny helmet ... achtung!
As I said in the other thread...
Just wanted to remind that this man is a war criminal.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 30, 2016, 09:14:39 AM
Just wanted to remind that this man is a war criminal.
All the great leaders are war criminals, if they get away with it. Stop being a Gandhi. Kill Brits if they occupy your country, don't sit on your dhoti.
Quote from: Baruch on July 30, 2016, 09:25:49 AM
All the great leaders are war criminals, if they get away with it. Stop being a Gandhi. Kill Brits if they occupy your country, don't sit on your dhoti.
*Rolls eyes. Suddenly becomes a vegan and looks for a white sheet around. (I already have the sandals.)
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 29, 2016, 07:43:07 PM
Who made the call on what personnel would be leaving? POTUS or the brass asses in the five-sided puzzle box?
I doubt it was the POTUS, but he's bright enough to understand that he's the one to issue a general order, and the Brass Asses will be the ones to implement it in ways that will protect their precious turf.
I bloody hope so.
Quote from: SGOS on July 30, 2016, 09:53:17 AM
I doubt it was the POTUS, but he's bright enough to understand that he's the one to issue a general order, and the Brass Asses will be the ones to implement it in ways that will protect their precious turf.
I would have thought that cutting waste would have been a viable option.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 30, 2016, 12:19:48 PM
I would have thought that cutting waste would have been a viable option.
That's fine, as long as you're not part of the waste.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on July 28, 2016, 10:21:07 AM
Everyone that I know, seems to have forgotten the budget surplus, left behind by Bill Clinton's administration, which George W. Bush immediately gave back "to the taxpayers"(the wealthy).
Something else people forget is Clinton didn't do that alone. The budget is congress's responsibility. POTUS usually proposes a budget to congress, but they are under no obligation pass it. They can pass a budget without POTUS's concurrence if they want. The decisions on what got cut and what didn't when the annual budget deficit was reduced during the Clinton administration were made in large part by a republican congress led by Newt Gingrich with Clinton's approval.
Quote from: SGOS on July 30, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
That's fine, as long as you're not part of the waste.
I wasn't talking about people.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on July 30, 2016, 01:16:00 PM
Something else people forget is Clinton didn't do that alone. The budget is congress's responsibility. POTUS usually proposes a budget to congress, but they are under no obligation pass it. They can pass a budget without POTUS's concurrence if they want. The decisions on what got cut and what didn't when the annual budget deficit was reduced during the Clinton administration were made in large part by a republican congress led by Newt Gingrich with Clinton's approval.
A point I tried to make elsewhere.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 30, 2016, 02:20:31 PM
I wasn't talking about people.
It is always about people ... soylent Congress. Always some other ox getting Al Gored.