Obviously Trump is right. Immigrants DO steal! Some are stupid enough to do it on national TV..
https://youtu.be/RcbiGsDMmCM
Look at that Michelle--copying Mrs. Trump like that!
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 19, 2016, 02:58:20 PM
Look at that Michelle--copying Mrs. Trump like that!
I know..I bet she pre-stole it 8 years before it was even written.
I really can't blame Mrs. Trump for repeating Mrs. Obama's speech; unlike politicians, celebrities can only remember a limited number of platitudes.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 19, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
I really can't blame Mrs. Trump for repeating Mrs. Obama's speech; unlike politicians, celebrities can only remember a limited number of platitudes.
Yeah well..in this case it isn't going to help, just make them look like chumps more than they already are.
You know..I'm thinking Bill Clinton ought to pose nude on AF1 just to show that she's not the only one who can steal things.. Not that I want to see him naked..
"Mrs Trumps wifes"
wait. What?
lol
I read an article on this today that suggested the plagiarism was likely due to the fact that mainstream Republicans who aren't desperate (like Gingrich and Christy) or stupid (Palin and Earnst) are avoiding Trump like the plague, and it's not just politicians but also others who work in politics. Because of this his staff is a lot of second and third tier people instead of top notch. The article suggested that this was not a speech she wrote herself, but definitely written by a professional speechwriter (but not Michelle Obama's professional speechwriter).
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it was sabotage. The Never Trump people are not above slimy, underhanded tricks. They are Republicans, after all, who don't care what the will of the people is, it's only fair if it goes the way they want it even if they have to throw out every vote they didn't like to get there. What better way to support your cause of "vote your conscious" than to make Trump look really, really bad on day 1 of the convention?
I'm actually embarrassed for Ms. Trump.
Did you ever notice the standard nose job from the front? It's like the nose doctors only know how to do one nose. You want a nose job? Look at Ms. Trump. That's what you get, unless they blow it.
Maybe Trump'll get caught with his Pence around his ankles...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 19, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
"Mrs Trumps wifes"
wait. What?
lol
LOL..I noticed that too.. oh well.. Mrs Trump's Wife.. She might be a lesbian..you never know..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 19, 2016, 05:54:09 PM
LOL..I noticed that too.. oh well.. Mrs Trump's Wife.. She might be a lesbian..you never know..
I hope so for her sake.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 19, 2016, 02:44:23 PM
Obviously Trump is right. Immigrants DO steal! Some are stupid enough to do it on national TV..
https://youtu.be/RcbiGsDMmCM
Hey--who did her eyes????
Meh, its unfortunate for them because of the inevitable bad press. But I no more believe Melania Trump committed willful malicious plagiarism than I believe my ex had a headache all those nights. And just like the intimate details of my sex life, this event is meaningless in the grand scheme of history.
Of course she didn't actually write the speech-- "Melania's team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking,†Jason Miller, Trump’s communications adviser, said in a statement.
I doubt Mrs. Trump ever paid much attention to anything Mrs. Obama has ever said.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 19, 2016, 08:14:11 PM
Of course she didn't actually write the speech-- "Melania's team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking,†Jason Miller, Trump’s communications adviser, said in a statement.
Hell, I watched Michelle's speech 8 years ago, and I can't remember a thing she said. I just remember thinking she was a good speaker. It seems obvious that the speech writers had to do some serious research to find a copy of Michelle's speech so they could copy it. I'm sure it wasn't something lying there in their subconscious, and they just drug it up without realizing where it came from. There's probably no actual copyright on a speech, but as speech writers for a presidential candidate, much more creativity than that should be part of the job description. Trump should fire them. If he doesn't, he just looks like a candidate that can't even hire people capable of actually doing the minimum work their job calls for. It isn't just a potential SNL moment. It is a poor reflection on the candidate.
Quote from: SGOS on July 19, 2016, 08:34:00 PM
There's probably no actual copyright on a speech, but as speech writers for a presidential candidate, much more creativity than that should be part of the job description. Trump should fire them. If he doesn't, he just looks like a candidate that can't even hire people capable of actually doing the minimum work their job calls for. It isn't just a potential SNL moment. It is a poor reflection on the candidate.
Isn't Trump's answer to every policy question, "I'm going to hire the best people"? Not an auspicious start.
Quote from: Johan on July 19, 2016, 07:55:59 PM
Meh, its unfortunate for them because of the inevitable bad press. But I no more believe Melania Trump committed willful malicious plagiarism than I believe my ex had a headache all those nights. And just like the intimate details of my sex life, this event is meaningless in the grand scheme of history.
I agree that she did not commit 'willful malicious plagiarism', as well. But since this was her speech, she has to take the responsibility of its content. At best she was remiss in her editing of that speech. She told people on a morning TV show that she had written most of that speech herself. So, she has to take the responsibility--good and bad--for what she said.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 19, 2016, 09:25:00 PM
She told people on a morning TV show that she had written most of that speech herself.
She's a liar.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 19, 2016, 08:14:11 PMOf course she didn't actually write the speech-- "Melania's team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking,†Jason Miller, Trump’s communications adviser, said in a statement.
I doubt Mrs. Trump ever paid much attention to anything Mrs. Obama has ever said.
I agree with that, but at the same time I couldn't care less about Mrs Trump. Like all spouses of a presidential candidate, she's not running for any actual office and for all I know, she's not particularly eager to leave her mansion for the much smaller and less luxurious Oval Office. This campaign has little and less to do with her. So as far as I'm concerned, she can take a dump onstage and it wouldn't change my impression of the Trump-Pence campaign.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 19, 2016, 09:38:08 PM
I agree with that, but at the same time I couldn't care less about Mrs Trump. Like all spouses of a presidential candidate, she's not running for any actual office and for all I know, she's not particularly eager to leave her mansion for the much smaller and less luxurious Oval Office. This campaign has little and less to do with her. So as far as I'm concerned, she can take a dump onstage and it wouldn't change my impression of the Trump-Pence campaign.
Yeah, I can go along with that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 19, 2016, 09:25:00 PM
I agree that she did not commit 'willful malicious plagiarism', as well. But since this was her speech, she has to take the responsibility of its content. At best she was remiss in her editing of that speech.
Was she remiss? Really? Are you suggesting that anyone in that sort of position where speeches are required but hired speech writers are used is ultimately responsible to vet every last word penned by said speech writers themselves so as to insure that no one who came before them ever uttered similar words?
I mean I'm not arguing with you, but if that's the realistic expectation then I can tell you right now, I would fail miserably every single time. My attitude is I hire them, I pay them to do a job, and I expect them to do that job. Which includes making sure I'm not going to say something that makes me look like an ass. In fact I would probably make that the very first bullet point on their one-pager job description sheet. Do not under any circumstances do anything that makes me look like an ass.
So really what we're talking about here is that Trumps wife sucks at hiring underlings.
I didn't watch any of the freak show that was the RNC convention, but from what I read Christie squandered his time doing nothing but pretending to prosecute HRC in some lynch mob type mock trial..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 20, 2016, 06:31:01 AM
I didn't watch any of the freak show that was the RNC convention, but from what I read Christie squandered his time doing nothing but pretending to prosecute HRC in some lynch mob type mock trial..
Brings back memories of Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair.
Ouch. That's embarrassing. They couldn't hire a specialist to write a good speech with all that money they spend to the campaign? This woman's position could be used very efficiently in their position. No? She grew up in old socialist Yugoslavia, she became a US citizen in 2006 a year before she married Trump. Apparently she speaks 5 languages. But then the stuff comes up if you google this woman...lol.
There is a particular part she is talking about raising his son as a 'mini-Donald' that would give a normal human to urge to vomit. Apparently he fires nannies and some other personnel around the house and mommy is very proud of it! He is 9. *Insert psycho smile here. (Pretty much what I meant in the 'is Trump racist' thread. Probably this is how he was raised too.)
They even have a 'theory' about the incident that speech might be sabotaged. LOL
A Theory: Donald Trump's Ex-Campaign Manager Deliberately Sabotaged Melania Trump
http://blackbag.gawker.com/a-theory-donald-trumps-ex-campaign-manager-deliberatel-1783930502
Quote from: Johan on July 19, 2016, 09:58:57 PM
Was she remiss? Really? Are you suggesting that anyone in that sort of position where speeches are required but hired speech writers are used is ultimately responsible to vet every last word penned by said speech writers themselves so as to insure that no one who came before them ever uttered similar words?
I mean I'm not arguing with you, but if that's the realistic expectation then I can tell you right now, I would fail miserably every single time. My attitude is I hire them, I pay them to do a job, and I expect them to do that job. Which includes making sure I'm not going to say something that makes me look like an ass. In fact I would probably make that the very first bullet point on their one-pager job description sheet. Do not under any circumstances do anything that makes me look like an ass.
So really what we're talking about here is that Trumps wife sucks at hiring underlings.
Yes, she was remiss. If I am going on a national TV broadcast I am making sure what I say is accurate or clearly stated as my opinion. I say it, I own it. If a hired speech writer makes a mistake and it is pointed out that that was the case, then I'd say that I made a mistake and that that was why. I would not come on national TV the next morning and say that I wrote the speech. I would apologize for the mistake, show what the mistake was and make any other comments that was needed. As it was, if Melania had come on TV the next day and said that she did not realize that somebody else said what she had, I'd simply say I was sorry for not citing her, but that in this case, we agree on those particular concepts. That would have solved any problem for her and even been a plus.
Quote from: SGOS on July 19, 2016, 04:55:10 PM
Did you ever notice the standard nose job from the front? It's like the nose doctors only know how to do one nose. You want a nose job? Look at Ms. Trump. That's what you get, unless they blow it.
Something I happen to know... won't get into specifics. They have books with noses in them at plastic surgery offices. Now they have software that can take a set of photographs and superimpose a new nose on an old one. But if you see what looks familiar on a person it is because they selected model New Roman B, which happens to be popular. I can tell Julia Roberts had plastic surgery because I saw her nose in the book. :biggrin:
Quote from: stromboli on July 20, 2016, 11:47:48 AM
Something I happen to know... won't get into specifics. They have books with noses in them at plastic surgery offices. Now they have software that can take a set of photographs and superimpose a new nose on an old one. But if you see what looks familiar on a person it is because they selected model New Roman B, which happens to be popular. I can tell Julia Roberts had plastic surgery because I saw her nose in the book. :biggrin:
What?? Do they name the noses after movie stars? I'll take the Harrison Ford, please. No wait. Make that the Paul Newman.
Or you can choose any one of 17 from the complete Michael Jackson line.
Melania's speech is like watching a Barbie doll try to convince me it's a real woman.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 20, 2016, 08:03:19 PM
Melania's speech is like watching a Barbie doll try to convince me it's a real woman.
Actually; this is closer. Speaking of animated Barbies.......................WTF is up with Tiffany T?
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/broadway-star-laura-benanti-does-seriously-175723048.html
This shit would actually be funny.........................if it wasn't my country! I could use a drink, or ten.
I KNEW they were zombies.........................they've infected each other!
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/plagiarism-wasnt-donald-trump-jr-044920318.html
Am I the only one who finds this entire Royal Trump Family on Parade thing creepy and offensive? Didn't we fight a 6-8 year war with Great Britain to get out from under a Royal Family? Gggggggrrrrrr!!!!!!!
If Don can't sell his own shit......................who can? How about a testimonial from the Trump Cat?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/19/rnc-spokesman-quotes-my-little-pony-to-defend-melania-trump.html
The Trump campaign is trying to kill me.
By making me laugh myself to death. Cramped up bad on that one.
Meh. This is completely normal and just something that happens in politics, all the time. Obama's plagiarism was far worse since he was actually the one that was running, but I don't care a bit about that either. It happens all the time.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on July 21, 2016, 01:28:46 AM
Meh. This is completely normal and just something that happens in politics, all the time. Obama's plagiarism was far worse since he was actually the one that was running, but I don't care a bit about that either. It happens all the time.
I agree that stuff like this is normal in politics. Lying, plagiarizing, promising, impossible things, misrepresenting yourself, and telling people what they want to hear all falls under the umbrella of dishonesty. It's exactly what is wrong with politics. I care about it.
Now if you are telling me I shouldn't lose sleep over it because there's nothing I can do to stop it, then I would agree. If you are telling me that this type of behavior is typical of both parties, I would somewhat agree to that too. If you are telling me that this is no worse than what Hillary would do, I agree. If you are telling me it wasn't Melania's fault, I would say well, yes and no. Maybe Melania was nothing more than a dupe for her husband. But I care, and I'm actually insulted by the dishonesty and misrepresentation that pervades our system of governance.
Yes, lying is lying, but this is more of a harmless lie. I actually like what Barack Obama did when he copied other people's words. He copied some really good stuff, like the "Just words" speech. Do I care that Barack or his speech writers took inspiration from some speeches they saw and copied huge chunks of the wording? No. I actually think it was a smart move by Obama.
Trump spin machine fell down again. An opportunity lost.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/melania-trump-speech-meredith-mciver.html?_r=0
I was surprised to hear no heads would roll over this gaffe until I read the above.
A democrat writing for Trumps wife. Plagiarism of a democratic speech. Many positive ways to spin this to show Trump doesnt care about the politics, its the ideas that matter. Reaching across the aisle. Presenting words to his audience (republican) who are likely to have never heard the words Michelle Obama spoke. And the audience agreed with her speech. See we can work together for the things everyone agrees are important....
blah blah blah... end of Potential spin missed example.
Yeah... he may win this one...
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on July 21, 2016, 10:59:12 AM
Yes, lying is lying, but this is more of a harmless lie. I actually like what Barack Obama did when he copied other people's words. He copied some really good stuff, like the "Just words" speech. Do I care that Barack or his speech writers took inspiration from some speeches they saw and copied huge chunks of the wording? No. I actually think it was a smart move by Obama.
Quoting others is done constantly in academic research. It's considered good form, but the rule is to always foot note it and give proper credit. I dunno if politics is actually considered academic when one is engaged in politics. As a discipline it's taught in higher education as political science, so I think it's academic.
If one were to take giving credit seriously, which obviously was not the intention of the speech writer here, Melania would have said something like, "I'd like to quote remarkable words of Michelle Obama spoken 8 years ago." Yeah right! That would go over well at a Republican convention. People would be looking at each other thinking, "WTF? Does this ditz even understand that we all hate Michelle and wish she were dying of cancer?"
Of course, who knows where Michelle got her speech. But Hell, I don't want to take this shit too seriously. This election year is sure to be a potential riot of entertainment and if one gets overly pedantic he's going to miss all the fun.
Plato plagiarized Socrates. Plato also said in The Republic, that only the government should be allowed to lie.
Quote from: Baruch on July 23, 2016, 10:50:29 AM
Plato plagiarized Socrates. Plato also said in The Republic, that only the government should be allowed to lie.
The Republicans may have stole Michelle's speech, but President Obama stole their healthcare legislation. So it's kind of a wash. :high5:
oh look a superficial speech took some platitudes from another superficial speech. I find it hard to give a fuck about this topic yet it seems to be news of utmost importance in so many publications.
Mrs. Trump's wife?
Kinky.
Quote from: SGOS on July 23, 2016, 04:22:25 PM
The Republicans may have stole Michelle's speech, but President Obama stole their healthcare legislation. So it's kind of a wash. :high5:
Which was why Obama sometimes had a lost look on his face during his first term because he was presenting what was originally Mitt Romney's creation. But the Repubs aren't obstructionists, oh no.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 23, 2016, 08:09:32 PM
Mrs. Trump's wife?
Well it took long enough for someone to catch that.
Ok, so I practice redundancy often and repeatedly.. Sue me.. lol
Quote from: SGOS on July 24, 2016, 04:57:49 AM
Well it took long enough for someone to catch that.
I was polite enough to give slower minds a shot at it. ;)
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 24, 2016, 08:15:14 AM
Ok, so I practice redundancy often and repeatedly.. Sue me.. lol
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, and they have job openings.
Also, the Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, and they have job openings.
Speaking of redundancy..In case you missed it ladies and gentlemen.. Jon Stewart about Lumpy and friends..
http://mashable.com/2016/07/22/jon-stewart-comeback-colbert/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#zcRqxmq.fOqX
Here's the direct link to the video and by the way..When did Steven Colbert start looking like Governor Pray for Rain Perry?
https://youtu.be/mNiqpBNE9ik