ENAR Urges EU Institutions To Recognise Islamophobia As A Form Of Racism (//http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=937520)
QuoteKUALA LUMPUR, March 26 (Bernama) -- The European Network Against Racism (ENAR) has called on European Union (EU) institutions to recognise Islamophobia as a specific form of racism.
The call was made following ENAR's first of its kind pan-European qualitative survey of Islamophobia, which showed that discrimination against Muslims in Europe is widespread.
Muslims continued to experience discrimination in a range of areas, more specifically in employment, education, and access to goods and services, said ENAR, which represents EU-wide network of non-governmental organisations (NGOs).
According to the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), the ENAR study showed that Muslim women and girls are the most affected and face double discrimination on the basis of both their religion and their gender.
The report also highlighted an increase in hatred against Muslims in Europe manifesting itself as opposition to as well as protests against the building of mosques and damage to Islamic places of worship.
An uninhibited form of racism has also emerged, using freedom of expression and 'white victimhood' as justifications for promoting exclusion and discrimination, according to the report.
OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu concurred with the call made by ENAR, saying that "this is what we have been saying for a long time, that Islamophobia should be recognised as a form of racism and dealt with accordingly".
He said Western leaders need to recognise Islamophobia as a threat to peaceful coexistence and understanding among people.
The OIC has just released its fifth Islamophobia Report, which indicates the rising trends in some national policies, laws, and administrative measures that stigmatise Muslims.
So Islamophobes are not just mentally ill, but racist as well.
Telling the truth is the new hate speech.
Fuck that. Islam isn't a race. I'm so tempted to make a youtube video of Arab's saying Islam is a vile religion. I know I can find enough of those around.
Hahaha! Who is dumb enough to be guilted by this?
Quote from: "NeoLogic26"Hahaha! Who is dumb enough to be guilted by this?
All Non Muslim governments, career politicians, Islamophiles, those who carry water to Islamic supremacist, either for greed or willful ignorance, and that is a lot of people.
And they are out to silence any one who disagrees with them.
Quote from: "NitzWalsh"Fuck that. Islam isn't a race. I'm so tempted to make a youtube video of Arab's saying Islam is a vile religion. I know I can find enough of those around.
Oh, yeah. That will help.
Remember the failed term "critical analysis" by creationists? They employ the same tactic a bit differently. It's basically a bunch of feel-good special interest groups (according to their site, more than 600 NGOs) that want to use their otherwise sound mission of equality to push the agendas of these special interest groups; namely religion.
As far as I can tell, they've been shanghaied by these special interest groups to promote a wide range of special interests, and not the true mission of equality as they claim.
I also find it kinda humorous that Islamists and Jews should be working together in their programme of "equality" (from their progress report).
Disgusting. Islam is not even a race, idiots, that ENAR.
So far it is working.
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam - Barack Obama, UN speech, September 2012
Those who dare even to question are vilified, pillored, marginalized and needed to get rid of.
Example:
Michelle Bachman asked to investigate Muslim Brotherhood presence in the Obama administration. (and there are quite a few).
QuotePeople for the American Way has collected more than 86,000 signatures on a petition urging House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, to remove Bachmann from the committee, which often reviews classified documents. The group plans to deliver the signatures next week to Boehner, who is responsible for naming the committee's Republican members.
source (//http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/08/bachmann-intelligence-committee-congress/1818361/)
Even on this forum, (lost now) there was a thread about Michelle Bachman, doing a character assasination on her because she dared to ask uncomfortable questions.
I hope reality shows the future belongs to people that reject faith in favour of reason and evidence.
Sal1981 wrote:QuoteRemember the failed term "critical analysis" by creationists? They employ the same tactic a bit differently.
Wrong analogy.
Creationist not out to kill you if you disagree with their stupid ideas.
Unlikely that a creationist will ever strap on a bomb to prove his point, or start a global religious war mandated by Jesus.
Who knows? Maybe you think it will come to this?
Quote from: "pr126"Sal1981 wrote:
QuoteRemember the failed term "critical analysis" by creationists? They employ the same tactic a bit differently.
Wrong analogy.
Creationist not out to kill you if you disagree with their stupid ideas.
Unlikely that a creationist will ever strap on a bomb to prove his point, or start a global religious war mandated by Jesus.
Who knows? Maybe you think it will come to this?
Nah, a christian will just bomb an abortion clinic.
The only difference between the two is that the christian doesn't have the decency to kill themselves as well.
Jason, your analogy is wrong as well.
Why?
Compare the number of abortion clinic bombing with this. (//http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)
Abortion clinics bombers (6 or 8 to date) are condemned universally and perpetrators brought to justice by the state, but those on the web site illustrated are revered by the followers as doing god's work and in some cases state approved.
I know that abortion bombing is unacceptable. But Islamic terrorist do more damage a day, every single day. And will do in the foreseeable future.
Some critical thinking is required, rather than emotionalism.
Christians just kill people slowly, by strangling free thought, and human nature. Radical Islam just gets it over with quickly.
Oh, and pr; Michelle Bachman is insane. I'm from Minnesota, I know.
Quote from: "Jmpty"Christians just kill people slowly, by strangling free thought, and human nature. Radical Islam just gets it over with quickly.
I understand.
Compared to that, the 3000 people dying horribly on 9/11 pales into insignificance.
Including the million or more murdered since elsewhere on the planet by Islamic jihad.
Good to see that you have a sense of proportion.
Quote from: "pr126"Even on this forum, (lost now) there was a thread about Michelle Bachman, doing a character assasination on her because she dared to ask uncomfortable questions.
Michelle Bachman is batshit crazy, and her character is already dead by her own hands to anyone with any sense, and has been for years prior. Seriously. If you want to make a case that there is some dastardly character assassinations over uncomfortable questions concerning Islam, you need to find a more credible person than Bachman.
Quote from: "Hakurei Reimu"Quote from: "pr126"Even on this forum, (lost now) there was a thread about Michelle Bachman, doing a character assasination on her because she dared to ask uncomfortable questions.
Michelle Bachman is batshit crazy, and her character is already dead by her own hands to anyone with any sense, and has been for years prior. Seriously. If you want to make a case that there is some dastardly character assassinations over uncomfortable questions concerning Islam, you need to find a more credible person than Bachman.
(emphasis mine)
Poison the Well much?
Doesn't matter what their mental health is, a point should be proven or disproven irregardless of their persona.
Quote from: "Sal1981"Quote from: "Hakurei Reimu"Quote from: "pr126"Even on this forum, (lost now) there was a thread about Michelle Bachman, doing a character assasination on her because she dared to ask uncomfortable questions.
Michelle Bachman is batshit crazy, and her character is already dead by her own hands to anyone with any sense, and has been for years prior. Seriously. If you want to make a case that there is some dastardly character assassinations over uncomfortable questions concerning Islam, you need to find a more credible person than Bachman.
(emphasis mine)
Poison the Well much?
Doesn't matter what their mental health is, a point should be proven or disproven irregardless of their persona.
Then let someone else ask the question, because someone who sees government conspiracy in census forms, to the point where she encourages people not to send them in, is in no position to be taken seriously and quite frankly shouldn't be in office in the first place.
She's batshit insane, so any of her ravings... sorry, "uncomfortable questions," should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
Quote from: "Hakurei Reimu"Quote from: "Sal1981"Poison the Well much?
Doesn't matter what their mental health is, a point should be proven or disproven irregardless of their persona.
Then let someone else ask the question, because someone who sees government conspiracy in census forms, to the point where she encourages people not to send them in, is in no position to be taken seriously and quite frankly shouldn't be in office in the first place.
She's batshit insane, so any of her ravings... sorry, "uncomfortable questions," should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
If she was elected into office the fault lies at the voting system and the majority vote for placing her there.
I honestly don't know much about Michelle Bachman or this issue, but you can't just dismiss something because it's uncomfortable, it should stand or fall upon merit of the issue itself, not because we don't like who's asking the question.
I don't deny people ask stupid questions, zapping our mental strength, but as soon as we lose control and start with denigration, it stops being about the issue and becomes personal instead.
Quote from: "pr126"So far it is working.
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam - Barack Obama, UN speech, September 2012
Those who dare even to question are vilified, pillored, marginalized and needed to get rid of.
Example:
Michelle Bachman asked to investigate Muslim Brotherhood presence in the Obama administration. (and there are quite a few).
QuotePeople for the American Way has collected more than 86,000 signatures on a petition urging House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, to remove Bachmann from the committee, which often reviews classified documents. The group plans to deliver the signatures next week to Boehner, who is responsible for naming the committee's Republican members.
source (//http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/08/bachmann-intelligence-committee-congress/1818361/)
Even on this forum, (lost now) there was a thread about Michelle Bachman, doing a character assasination on her because she dared to ask uncomfortable questions.
Show me one shred of credible evidence of a Muslim brotherhood presence in the Obama administration. Not some idiotic Islam watch website's paranoid fantasy, some CREDIBLE evidence. Uncomfortable my ass. Stupid, inane, idiotic, maybe, but not uncomfortable. Bachman is an ultra right wing Christian birther, who propogated the death panel rumour, whos' husband runs a clinic to "fix" gay people,from a tiny, uber right wing district in minnesota. The only reason she is still in congress is due to gerrymandering, and she still barely won. She, and her ideas, are an embarrassment to my home state, and my country.
Quote from: "Sal1981"If she was elected into office the fault lies at the voting system and the majority vote for placing her there.
This does not dismiss the point that Bachmann is batshit insane.
Quote from: "Sal1981"I honestly don't know much about Michelle Bachman or this issue, but you can't just dismiss something because it's uncomfortable, it should stand or fall upon merit of the issue itself, not because we don't like who's asking the question.
Like I said, if Michelle's question is legit, then let someone else examine it and decide if it's worth asking, because someone who sees conspiracies everywhere cannot be trusted to spot a real conspiracy anywhere.
Quote from: "Sal1981"I don't deny people ask stupid questions, zapping our mental strength, but as soon as we lose control and start with denigration, it stops being about the issue and becomes personal instead.
Sorry, but in real life,
credibility matters. Nobody with any smarts listens to Fox news on anything but the most trivial matters, because we know they lie through their teeth. People should not trust the Onion to deliver real news (the fact that some do notwithstanding), because we know that they're a spoof news source. Someone who is so ignorant of how her own government works to not realize that if enough people don't turn in their census forms that her own seat may disappear from under her, instead continuing on how the census is a front for some government conspiracy, should have their every word looked upon with a jaunticed eye.
Fuck that. Islam isn't a race
Check and Mate..!!!
To claim that 'Islamophobia' is racist is to make the claimant themselves shown to be discriminatory, because it tries to reduce Muslims down to a race (Arabs) - which they aren't - and then claim prejudice against them. It's an ironic piece of bullshit.
Quote from: "Hakurei Reimu"Quote from: "Sal1981"I don't deny people ask stupid questions, zapping our mental strength, but as soon as we lose control and start with denigration, it stops being about the issue and becomes personal instead.
Sorry, but in real life, credibility matters.
I have to concede that it does. It's annoying that it does, because at its core the whole concept of credibility relies on past experiences, it says nothing about specifics someone puts forward
now, credible or not. It should be about an issue, and try to ignore who puts that issue forward.
I'm sympathetic about a persons credibility and I would be lying if I didn't listen with more awareness and positive inclination to someone that I admired from what they've said and done in the past. Hell, if someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson said some creationist bollocks, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, although I probably would be skeptical. I think this is a fault, really - but what can we do, we're only human.
Quote from: "Hakurei Reimu"Nobody with any smarts listens to Fox news on anything but the most trivial matters, because we know they lie through their teeth. People should not trust the Onion to deliver real news (the fact that some do notwithstanding), because we know that they're a spoof news source. Someone who is so ignorant of how her own government works to not realize that if enough people don't turn in their census forms that her own seat may disappear from under her, instead continuing on how the census is a front for some government conspiracy, should have their every word looked upon with a jaunticed eye.
All that comes from experience. They probably deserve to be looked upon skeptically because they have spun crap before, consistently. Still, I can't shake that there's some middle-road that should determine if something is true or not on its own merit versus credibility.
QuoteEven on this forum, (lost now) there was a thread about Michelle Bachman, doing a character assasination on her because she dared to ask uncomfortable questions.
Actually, it is because Bachman is the stupidest cunt in Washington. She is a liar, a fool and a hypocrite. Citing her as some sort of model does not help you.
QuoteActually, it is because Bachman is the stupidest cunt in Washington. She is a liar, a fool and a hypocrite
Isn't that a required attribute to get elected for congress? She qualifies admirably.
:lol:
We should all pay attention to Bachman's wise words. And apologise to her too for being meany.
I have issues with stereotyping of Muslims, but it isn't racism because Muslims aren't a race. Words mean things.
Ridiculous. You can't be a victim of racism for being muslim by definition, just the same as you can't be a victim of sexism for being a dolphin.
Quote from: "pr126"Even on this forum, (lost now) there was a thread about Michelle Bachman, doing a character assasination on her because she dared to ask uncomfortable questions.
It might be possible to go to the archives and search for it?
Id like to add that, how Islam is practiced, comes down to things related to more than just the religion itself.
Countries involved in corruption and fighting and war in these times, often may be muslim, however, theyre also impoverished, lack resources and to be fair, education.
There are, many muslims here in the US, who view Islam, of course much more different than counterparts on the other side of the world. I appreciate those who dont generalize. thank you.
Quote from: "pr126"QuoteActually, it is because Bachman is the stupidest cunt in Washington. She is a liar, a fool and a hypocrite
Isn't that a required attribute to get elected for congress? She qualifies admirably.
Only on a republican ticket.
Quote from: "Belial"Id like to add that, how Islam is practiced, comes down to things related to more than just the religion itself.
Countries involved in corruption and fighting and war in these times, often may be muslim, however, theyre also impoverished, lack resources and to be fair, education.
There are, many muslims here in the US, who view Islam, of course much more different than counterparts on the other side of the world. I appreciate those who dont generalize. thank you.
Islam originated in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi constitution says gods book (Quran) and the sunnah of his prophet are the constitution.
One of the 5 pillars of Islam is Hajj, where do muslims go for that?
Muslims face Mecca in Saudi Arabia when they tap their heads on the ground with their asses in the air, why do they face Mecca in Saudi Arabia when they pray?
If you want to see what Islam is like go to Saudi Arabia, the Salafi will say the shiites are not muslim they are shiites,The salafi will say Iran is not a muslim country it is a shiite country.
Who are the hypocrites the allah of the Quran mentions? they are not disbelievers as they are also mentioned in 9/73, please answer this question.
//http://www.quran.com/search?q=hypocrite
Quote from: "baronvonrort"Islam originated in Saudi Arabia
Islam is only 81 years old? (Saudi Arabia didn't exist prior to 1932.) Islam originated in 610 CE in Mecca (Bakkah), which was then part of a territory contested by a few pagan Arab tribes (and at least one Christian group).
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "baronvonrort"Islam originated in Saudi Arabia
Islam is only 81 years old? (Saudi Arabia didn't exist prior to 1932.) Islam originated in 610 CE in Mecca (Bakkah), which was then part of a territory contested by a few pagan Arab tribes (and at least one Christian group).
That is some grade-A grammatical nitpicking right there. I am slightly proud.
Nit-picking? It's like saying that the Clovis People settled in Albuquerque, NM, 13,000 years ago. "In" and "in the area that's now" are as related as a cave lion and a house cat.
Islam originated in an almost completely pagan area controlled by no one. That doesn't sound like Saudi Arabia. (Maybe pagan and lawless are better than what's there now, huh?)